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Reply #15 - Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:34pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 2:29pm:
That's because the Laws are in the wrong.

Kids should be allowed to be kids from alcohol, to sex, to marriage and even driving until 20 years of age.
The biggest stress to kids is being forced to grow up too fast before their time.
The thoughts of youth should be long long thoughts (Longfellow) - especially 20 years long.
Distraction Laws are being introduced come November in driving. 'Kids' are easily distracted.


Todays youth seen to still be kids at 30. My generation were getting married at 20.
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Reply #16 - Oct 28th, 2025 at 9:18pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 2:37pm:
I kinda agree with you FD. An employer wouldn't keep a 19 year old kid, if they had to overpay them with Adult wages.


Better worker, more productive and willing to do the jobs that the older guy won't - Why not ?
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Reply #17 - Yesterday at 8:58am
 
'Irrational' rule ripping off young Aussie workers' pay   Sad
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The Fair Work Commission is holding a three-week hearing into the pay scales of younger workers.

They can drink, drive and vote and are treated as adults in the eyes of the law - but 18-year-old Australians are still being paid considerably less than their older colleagues.   Sad

Despite being legal adults, 18-year-old workers receive only 70 per cent of the wage of a 21-year-old.

Australian Unions are backing a bid to end junior rates of pay in a case that began in the Fair Work Commission on Monday.

Young workers in retail, fast food and pharmacies can be paid much less than people aged 21.   Sad


The retail workers union, the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees' Association, applied to the commission to scrap junior pay rates for workers aged 18 and over in retail, fast food and pharmacies so they can be paid adult wages.   Smiley

Workers aged under 21 are not currently entitled to adult wages.

They are instead paid lower wages on a sliding scale the SDA says is out of touch with cost-of-living pressures.

Workers aged 20 are paid 90 per cent of the adult award rate, a 19-year-old gets 80 per cent of the award rate and 18-year-olds are paid 70 per cent of full award rates in retail, fast food and pharmacies.


In opening statements the the full bench of the commission, union lawyers argued junior rates were "irrational" and "unfair", citing expert evidence from Professor Martin O'Brien and Professor Jeff Borland, who both estimated minimal impacts on employers' costs and total employment.

The SDA will call 60 witnesses, including people paid junior wages, but only four experts will be subject to cross examination by employer groups, including the Pharmacy Guild of Australia, over the three-week hearing.

Outside the commission hearings in Melbourne, ACTU president Michele O'Neil said an 18-year-old would need to work 50 hours to earn what an adult makes in 38. 

"Once you're legally an adult, you should be paid the adult wage. It's straightforward and fair," Ms O'Neil told reporters on Monday.

"Employers argue adult pay for 18-year-olds will kill jobs. We've heard it before. They said equal pay for women would kill jobs. It didn't."

Michele O'Neil has rubbished claims paying younger workers adult wages will kill jobs.


Just a month after he turned 18, Baylin Lipkevius Thompson, now aged 21, moved out of home and was paying rent and receiving no extra financial support.

He relied on his job in a local supermarket to help cover those bills, and needed to get a second job at another supermarket chain to make ends meet.

"I was in a situation where on rent day, I'm putting all my money into rent and I'm left with 10 to 15 dollars in the bank account," Baylin told reporters.

"I was struggling to fund how I was going to feed myself, and how I could cover other bills and having that second job was just a requirement.

Young workers Prachi Angrish and Baylin Lipkevius Thompson are backing the fight for fairer wages.

"Junior rates are simply not enough and that's what the SDA's push for adult wage is about. It's about fairness."


If approved, Australia will join the likes of New Zealand, where young workers move to full pay after six months, and Canada, where youth rates don't exist.

Federal Industrial Relations Minister Amanda Rishworth has been contacted for comment.
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Reply #18 - Yesterday at 9:03am
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 9:18pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 2:37pm:
I kinda agree with you FD. An employer wouldn't keep a 19 year old kid, if they had to overpay them with Adult wages.


Better worker, more productive and willing to do the jobs that the older guy won't - Why not ?

You obviously can't tell between kid and Adult.
Best you stay out of this one. You're not qualified regardless of your age.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #19 - Yesterday at 9:05am
 
Seems WK that you and the Unions also can't tell the difference between kids and Adults by using other wrongful laws just to make a justification for a cash grab.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #20 - Yesterday at 11:15am
 
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 9:05am:
Seems WK that you and the Unions also can't tell the difference between kids and Adults by using other wrongful laws just to make a justification for a cash grab.


I don't think they care. So long as they can put people out of jobs and claim a victory to justify all the fees that members pay them, they are happy.
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Reply #21 - Yesterday at 11:59am
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 11:15am:
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 9:05am:
Seems WK that you and the Unions also can't tell the difference between kids and Adults by using other wrongful laws just to make a justification for a cash grab.


I don't think they care. So long as they can put people out of jobs and claim a victory to justify all the fees that members pay them, they are happy.


You do recognise the paradox in your statement, don't you?

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Reply #22 - Yesterday at 12:00pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 11:59am:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 11:15am:
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 9:05am:
Seems WK that you and the Unions also can't tell the difference between kids and Adults by using other wrongful laws just to make a justification for a cash grab.


I don't think they care. So long as they can put people out of jobs and claim a victory to justify all the fees that members pay them, they are happy.


You do recognise the paradox in your statement, don't you?



No. Go ahead and explain it.
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Reply #23 - Yesterday at 1:03pm
 
So no such thing as a training wage? Kids will come through the door fully trained?
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