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Reply #150 - Today at 10:15am
 
Karnal wrote Yesterday at 8:59pm:
That's nice, Great, but you can't expect to have one solution (or one problem) for everything.

Things are complicated. Comrade Mao tried a cultural revolution, remember? In a decade's time, everybody would be capitalist roaders again.

Beware of universal solutions. Before any progress, one must destroy the imperialist within, no?


1. Not ONE solution, maybe, but:

"money is the root of all evil"

and

"it's the economy, stupid".....

2. Speaking of which (a brief history):

Marx said "workers of the world, unite"; and his 'Communist Manifesto' made him world famous - though economists and politicians ignored his ideas in his lifetime.

Lenin was the first to apply these ideas, but Russia was a mostly subsistence agriculture economy which Marx had not considered in his writings concerned with workers tied to machines and oppressed by capitalists (during the industrial revolutiion).

'Collectivization' doesn't transfer well to 'free' individuals toiling in fields to feed themselves, so farmers showed resistance to the new 'communist' state.

Mao made the same mistake in China; but the CCP is pragmatic and soon after Mao, they became "capitalist roaders", as you noted.

But 'communism' did transform both nations into manufacturing power-houses, eg, enabling Stalin to push Hitler out of Russia; and now China can out-compete  the US in manufacturing (and Trump is not pleased...).

3. An economy which works for all (the MMT goal: 'Public Money: Public Good') is by it's nature "universalist", but not in the "imperialist" sense which implies domination over other nations.

I spy your (Western) 'individual freedom' ideology colouring your narrative...

...which IS on topic in this 'No Kings' thread... 
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Reply #151 - Today at 1:10pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 10:15am:
Karnal wrote Yesterday at 8:59pm:
That's nice, Great, but you can't expect to have one solution (or one problem) for everything.

Things are complicated. Comrade Mao tried a cultural revolution, remember? In a decade's time, everybody would be capitalist roaders again.

Beware of universal solutions. Before any progress, one must destroy the imperialist within, no?


1. Not ONE solution, maybe, but:

"money is the root of all evil"

and

"it's the economy, stupid".....

2. Speaking of which (a brief history):

Marx said "workers of the world, unite"; and his 'Communist Manifesto' made him world famous - though economists and politicians ignored his ideas in his lifetime.

Lenin was the first to apply these ideas, but Russia was a mostly subsistence agriculture economy which Marx had not considered in his writings concerned with workers tied to machines and oppressed by capitalists (during the industrial revolutiion).

'Collectivization' doesn't transfer well to 'free' individuals toiling in fields to feed themselves, so farmers showed resistance to the new 'communist' state.

Mao made the same mistake in China; but the CCP is pragmatic and soon after Mao, they became "capitalist roaders", as you noted.

But 'communism' did transform both nations into manufacturing power-houses, eg, enabling Stalin to push Hitler out of Russia; and now China can out-compete  the US in manufacturing (and Trump is not pleased...).

3. An economy which works for all (the MMT goal: 'Public Money: Public Good') is by it's nature "universalist", but not in the "imperialist" sense which implies domination over other nations.

I spy your (Western) 'individual freedom' ideology colouring your narrative...

...which IS on topic in this 'No Kings' thread... 



Stalin prevailed against Germany becacuse of the Anglo-American support the Soviet Union received.

China is successful now because it lied and cheated its way into the WTO. If it had been kept out of the WTO it wouldn't be where it is today: still lying, cheating, coercing, stealing.


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Reply #152 - Today at 1:59pm
 
Frank's no fan of the Chows, Great. He's on record saying they should be carpetbombed too.

He's never liked their inscrutable nature, you see. And wipe that smile off your face, he always tells them.

The abacus, he says, have you ever heard of a more ridiculous invention? They always conveniently come up with the wrong change.

Don't get him started on Chinese food. He always finds a big, black hair in it somewhere, and there's always a fight at the restaurant.
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Reply #153 - Today at 2:13pm
 
Karnal wrote Today at 1:59pm:
Frank's no fan of the Chows, Great. He's on record saying they should be carpetbombed too.

He's never liked their inscrutable nature, you see. And wipe that smile off your face, he always tells them.

The abacus, he says, have you ever heard of a more ridiculous invention? They always conveniently come up with the wrong change.

Don't get him started on Chinese food. He always finds a big, black hair in it somewhere, and there's always a fight at the restaurant.


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Reply #154 - Today at 2:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 10:15am:
"money is the root of all evil"


Poor TGD, can't even get a simple quote right. So much for competence in anything.

"the LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Roll Eyes
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Reply #155 - Today at 2:39pm
 
lee wrote Today at 2:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 10:15am:
"money is the root of all evil"


Poor TGD, can't even get a simple quote right. So much for competence in anything.

"the LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Roll Eyes


"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil" (1 Timothy 6:10).
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Reply #156 - Today at 2:48pm
 
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Trump derangement syndrome
Fareed Zakaria defined the term as "hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people's judgment"

Lets check in at 5pm on 23rd July 2025 then at 5pm on 30th July
 
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Reply #157 - Today at 2:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote Today at 2:13pm:
Karnal wrote Today at 1:59pm:
Frank's no fan of the Chows, Great. He's on record saying they should be carpetbombed too.

He's never liked their inscrutable nature, you see. And wipe that smile off your face, he always tells them.

The abacus, he says, have you ever heard of a more ridiculous invention? They always conveniently come up with the wrong change.

Don't get him started on Chinese food. He always finds a big, black hair in it somewhere, and there's always a fight at the restaurant.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t4ZSehoKiHU/hqdefault.jpg


Most common, Greggery, it happens all the time.

So the old boy says, anyway.
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Reply #158 - Today at 3:00pm
 
Leroy wrote Today at 2:48pm:


Sustainability, innit.
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Robert Morris, a former Trump campaign spiritual adviser, pleads guilty to child sex abuse

Former megachurch pastor Robert Morris, who was once a campaign spiritual adviser to President Donald Trump, pleaded guilty Thursday to sexually abusing a child.

Morris, a founding pastor of the Dallas-based Gateway megachurch — one of the country’s largest — was accused by an Oklahoma woman, Cindy Clemishire, of sexual abuse in the 1980s, beginning when she was 12 and continuing until the age of 16.

Morris, 64, pleaded guilty in Osage County District Court to five felony counts of lewd or indecent acts with a child. He was given a 10-year suspended sentence but was ordered to serve six months in the Oklahoma county’s jail.

As part of his plea deal, Morris must register as a sex offender and pay $250,000 in restitution.


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