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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #90 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:46pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:01pm:


Why, thanks for your support, dear boy. Now, having read all that, can you point to one part that says the tinted races must be hired?

I'm sure Leroy will value your contribution to the debate, wherever he is.


I didn't see anything about "a certain amount" either.

Leroy's gone, so hopefully Frank can clear this up.


Oh, he's gone.
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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #91 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:58pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:54pm:
Leroy wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:46pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:14pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:08pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 4:59pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 3:58pm:
I have provided the full context of two of Kirk's supposedly wacist utterances.

Little teapot refuses to point out which bit was wacist, she/zi just bangs on and on, as if she/zi has not been proven a tendentious liar and distorted.



You keep pretending not to understand what makes it racist, so let me spell it out as clearly as I can, again.

It's not "just a concern about DEI." It's the part where he explicitly questions the competence of Black professionals because they are Black, and then attributes their success to handouts rather than merit. He frames Black doctors and pilots as intellectually inferior, incapable of earning their position without lowered standards, and claims that white people were displaced because of it.

That is textbook racism. He is assigning lower intelligence and ability to an entire race, and pushing a lie that DEI means replacing qualified white people with unqualified Black people.

DEI does not lower standards, that narrative is a deliberate falsehood used as a shield to justify bigotry. It's a convenient excuse to dress up racism as "concern."

You don't see it that way because you use it as a shield too.



If ANYONE is hired because of his race or sex, not his competence for the task, that is DEI and that is wacist and sexist.

Which is Kirk's point.
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That framing is dishonest from the start because it pretends that DEI = "hiring unqualified people because of race or sex." That's not what DEI is, that's just the caricature racists use to attack it, or as a shield for their vile rhetoric.

DEI doesn't tell anyone to ignore competence, it pushes equal access to opportunity and addresses historical gatekeeping that kept qualified people out before they were even allowed to compete.

The only way Kirk's argument works is if you start from the assumption that Black people or women only succeed because of lowered standards. He's not critiquing a system, he's presuming incompetence based on identity. That's why it's racist.

If DEI meant "hire unqualified people," then point to an actual policy that says that. You won't find one. What you'll find are racists who see a Black doctor and immediately assume charity hire.

That's not a critique of hiring practices, that's a confession of their own prejudice.

Of Kirk and you.


I think its more about you just not understanding what he said.

Kirk has no problem with black people being hired, his point is if you have a policy that insists that a certain amount of people are hired due to being black then that is racist.

The other point he made is if you have a policy that ensures a certain amount of black people must be hired then those black people that are deserving of placement will always be have a cloud over them because they are in a system that ensures black people must be employed and not on competence and merit.


Thanks, Leroy. Now, can you point to one policy in the entire US government that has ever ensured a certain number of black people must be hired?

Cheers.


I can never take you serious for two reasons, first one is any debate with you always attracts that resident diick greg. When he comes in wiping his own feces all over the thread.

Second reason is your inablity to comprehend the written words, or maybe its my amalgamation of words that flummoxes you.

Read my post again and see if you can spot your mistakes.

I seriously doubt you will understand this post.
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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #92 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:01pm:


Why, thanks for your support, dear boy. Now, having read all that, can you point to one part that says the tinted races must be hired?

I'm sure Leroy will value your contribution to the debate, wherever he is.


I didn't see anything about "a certain amount" either.

Leroy's gone, so hopefully Frank can clear this up.


Oh, he's gone.

It starts in the title.

And then goes on and on.

Equity = unmerited leg up due to colour and sexual this 'n that.  Repeated dozens of times.

Merit and competence ? Not mentioned at all.




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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #93 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:14pm
 
Leroy wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:54pm:
Leroy wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:46pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:14pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:08pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 4:59pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 3:58pm:
I have provided the full context of two of Kirk's supposedly wacist utterances.

Little teapot refuses to point out which bit was wacist, she/zi just bangs on and on, as if she/zi has not been proven a tendentious liar and distorted.



You keep pretending not to understand what makes it racist, so let me spell it out as clearly as I can, again.

It's not "just a concern about DEI." It's the part where he explicitly questions the competence of Black professionals because they are Black, and then attributes their success to handouts rather than merit. He frames Black doctors and pilots as intellectually inferior, incapable of earning their position without lowered standards, and claims that white people were displaced because of it.

That is textbook racism. He is assigning lower intelligence and ability to an entire race, and pushing a lie that DEI means replacing qualified white people with unqualified Black people.

DEI does not lower standards, that narrative is a deliberate falsehood used as a shield to justify bigotry. It's a convenient excuse to dress up racism as "concern."

You don't see it that way because you use it as a shield too.



If ANYONE is hired because of his race or sex, not his competence for the task, that is DEI and that is wacist and sexist.

Which is Kirk's point.
)


That framing is dishonest from the start because it pretends that DEI = "hiring unqualified people because of race or sex." That's not what DEI is, that's just the caricature racists use to attack it, or as a shield for their vile rhetoric.

DEI doesn't tell anyone to ignore competence, it pushes equal access to opportunity and addresses historical gatekeeping that kept qualified people out before they were even allowed to compete.

The only way Kirk's argument works is if you start from the assumption that Black people or women only succeed because of lowered standards. He's not critiquing a system, he's presuming incompetence based on identity. That's why it's racist.

If DEI meant "hire unqualified people," then point to an actual policy that says that. You won't find one. What you'll find are racists who see a Black doctor and immediately assume charity hire.

That's not a critique of hiring practices, that's a confession of their own prejudice.

Of Kirk and you.


I think its more about you just not understanding what he said.

Kirk has no problem with black people being hired, his point is if you have a policy that insists that a certain amount of people are hired due to being black then that is racist.

The other point he made is if you have a policy that ensures a certain amount of black people must be hired then those black people that are deserving of placement will always be have a cloud over them because they are in a system that ensures black people must be employed and not on competence and merit.


Thanks, Leroy. Now, can you point to one policy in the entire US government that has ever ensured a certain number of black people must be hired?

Cheers.


I can never take you serious for two reasons, first one is any debate with you always attracts that resident diick greg. When he comes in wiping his own feces all over the thread.

Second reason is your inablity to comprehend the written words, or maybe its my amalgamation of words that flummoxes you.

Read my post again and see if you can spot your mistakes.

I seriously doubt you will understand this post.


Well, Leroy, it's always the

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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #94 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:01pm:


Why, thanks for your support, dear boy. Now, having read all that, can you point to one part that says the tinted races must be hired?

I'm sure Leroy will value your contribution to the debate, wherever he is.


I didn't see anything about "a certain amount" either.

Leroy's gone, so hopefully Frank can clear this up.


Oh, he's gone.

It starts in the title.

And then goes on and on.

Equity = unmerited leg up due to colour and sexual this 'n that.  Repeated dozens of times.

Merit and competence ? Not mentioned at all.



Stay focused, Frannie.

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Can you point to one policy in the entire US government that has ever ensured a certain number of black people must be hired?
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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #95 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:39pm
 
Leroy wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:54pm:
Leroy wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:46pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:14pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 5:08pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 4:59pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 3:58pm:
I have provided the full context of two of Kirk's supposedly wacist utterances.

Little teapot refuses to point out which bit was wacist, she/zi just bangs on and on, as if she/zi has not been proven a tendentious liar and distorted.



You keep pretending not to understand what makes it racist, so let me spell it out as clearly as I can, again.

It's not "just a concern about DEI." It's the part where he explicitly questions the competence of Black professionals because they are Black, and then attributes their success to handouts rather than merit. He frames Black doctors and pilots as intellectually inferior, incapable of earning their position without lowered standards, and claims that white people were displaced because of it.

That is textbook racism. He is assigning lower intelligence and ability to an entire race, and pushing a lie that DEI means replacing qualified white people with unqualified Black people.

DEI does not lower standards, that narrative is a deliberate falsehood used as a shield to justify bigotry. It's a convenient excuse to dress up racism as "concern."

You don't see it that way because you use it as a shield too.



If ANYONE is hired because of his race or sex, not his competence for the task, that is DEI and that is wacist and sexist.

Which is Kirk's point.
)


That framing is dishonest from the start because it pretends that DEI = "hiring unqualified people because of race or sex." That's not what DEI is, that's just the caricature racists use to attack it, or as a shield for their vile rhetoric.

DEI doesn't tell anyone to ignore competence, it pushes equal access to opportunity and addresses historical gatekeeping that kept qualified people out before they were even allowed to compete.

The only way Kirk's argument works is if you start from the assumption that Black people or women only succeed because of lowered standards. He's not critiquing a system, he's presuming incompetence based on identity. That's why it's racist.

If DEI meant "hire unqualified people," then point to an actual policy that says that. You won't find one. What you'll find are racists who see a Black doctor and immediately assume charity hire.

That's not a critique of hiring practices, that's a confession of their own prejudice.

Of Kirk and you.


I think its more about you just not understanding what he said.

Kirk has no problem with black people being hired, his point is if you have a policy that insists that a certain amount of people are hired due to being black then that is racist.

The other point he made is if you have a policy that ensures a certain amount of black people must be hired then those black people that are deserving of placement will always be have a cloud over them because they are in a system that ensures black people must be employed and not on competence and merit.


Thanks, Leroy. Now, can you point to one policy in the entire US government that has ever ensured a certain number of black people must be hired?

Cheers.


I can never take you serious for two reasons, first one is any debate with you always attracts that resident diick greg. When he comes in wiping his own feces all over the thread.

Second reason is your inablity to comprehend the written words, or maybe its my amalgamation of words that flummoxes you.

Read my post again and see if you can spot your mistakes.

I seriously doubt you will understand this post.


I see. Don't want to say, eh?

Strange. FD used to play the same trick with his words too. He loved having people read them out.

It was all a bit of fun. Re-read my words, Bwian, FD would say.

I'm not re-reading your words until you re-read mine, Brian would say.

So FD would whack him in the Spineless Apologists' thread as punishment.

We had some good times, Leroy.
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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #96 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:42pm
 
Well, it IS the

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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #97 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:42pm:
Well, it IS the

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can I say that?
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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #98 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:48pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:01pm:


Why, thanks for your support, dear boy. Now, having read all that, can you point to one part that says the tinted races must be hired?

I'm sure Leroy will value your contribution to the debate, wherever he is.


I didn't see anything about "a certain amount" either.

Leroy's gone, so hopefully Frank can clear this up.


Oh, he's gone.

It starts in the title.

And then goes on and on.

Equity = unmerited leg up due to colour and sexual this 'n that.  Repeated dozens of times.

Merit and competence ? Not mentioned at all.



Strange. You've gone to all that trouble to find us an executive order, but you've been forced to re-write it for us.

Why is that, dear boy? Where does this compulsion come from?

If I didn't know any better, I'd assume you just read the title.

Would you prefer we discussed your made-up quotes instead?
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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #99 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:53pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:43pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:42pm:
Well, it IS the

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Grimacing, tap-dancing paki and slanderous, despicable creep show!




can I say that?


We'll have to ask FD.

FD, could you elaborate on the rules of debate?

They're a little bit vague, dear.

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Reply #100 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:58pm
 
Nothing is rewritten, grimacing arse bandit.


What exactly is the point of Bidden's EO?

To hire blacks, gays, trannies, women etc who could not simply be hired on merit alone.

On merit alone.

So d it out, paki, commit it to memory. The entire point of DEI is to erase those three little words.

On merit alone. So wacist, sexist, islamophobe, white supremacist,  transphobe, arsebanditphobe, sextouristphobe, [yourmiffhere]phobe.

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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #101 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 8:06pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:53pm:
We'll have to ask FD.

FD, could you elaborate on the rules of debate?

They're a little bit vague, dear.

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Well, personally I'd be inclined to just let Frank carry on.

He's just so damn entertaining. A bit like watching a train wreck where you know you want to look away but you can't. Grin
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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #102 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 8:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 6:01pm:


Why, thanks for your support, dear boy. Now, having read all that, can you point to one part that says the tinted races must be hired?

I'm sure Leroy will value your contribution to the debate, wherever he is.


I didn't see anything about "a certain amount" either.

Leroy's gone, so hopefully Frank can clear this up.


It's a little bit tricky, Greggery. The words are a bit hard to read.

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It is therefore the policy of my Administration that the Federal Government should pursue a comprehensive approach to advancing equity for all, including people of color and others who have been historically underserved, marginalized, and adversely affected by persistent poverty and inequality.


Funny thing is, it reads exactly like how Sleepy Joe talks, no? It sounds like sleepy Joe wrote it himself, can you imagine?

He probably didn't even need to have it explained to him when he signed it with his autopen.

Oh well, good thing DL overturned it, I guess. We wouldn't want to have anyone pursuing comprehensive approaches to advancing equity for all, now would we?
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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #103 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 8:13pm
 
Ten rupee?

A banana? Have two.

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Re: The whole Charlie Kirk circus is ridiculous now
Reply #104 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 8:18pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:58pm:
Nothing is rewritten, grimacing arse bandit.


What exactly is the point of Bidden's EO?

To hire blacks, gays, trannies, women etc who could not simply be hired on merit alone.

On merit alone.

So d it out, paki, commit it to memory. The entire point of DEI is to erase those three little words.

On merit alone. So wacist, sexist, islamophobe, white supremacist,  transphobe, arsebanditphobe, sextouristphobe, [yourmiffhere]phobe.



I see. So when you posted this as an example of a US government policy that ensured a certain number of black people must be hired, you were really posting it as an example of a policy that doesn't include the word "merit."

Thanks, old chap. We'll lock this one in, shall we?
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