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Reply #30 - Oct 16th, 2025 at 9:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2025 at 8:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2025 at 8:44pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2025 at 8:29pm:
Nail where do you get your constant stream of BS conspiracy theories from? Is there a facebook group called I'm an idiot, please lie to me so I can mouth of somewhere else and look like an idiot?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2025 at 7:21pm:
Dear FD,
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The USA created: the Taliban and Osama Bin laden -
supplied Stinger missiles to fight Russia in the 1980s.

They created Saddam - supplied weapons to fight Iran in the 1980s.

They created ISIS when they destroyed Iraq.

They created the Viet Kong to fight the Japs in WW2.

They also created Israel with the help of the POMs.

In every case their creations have turned into monsters
that returned to bite them on the bum.

Israel is now a new monster with nuclear weapons.
God help the USA if Israel ever turns on the USA -

actually they did once:
On Jun 8th 1967 the ship called the USS Liberty was deliberately attacked by Israel
killing 34 sailors and wounding 171 more.



Israel was created by the Israelis. ISIS was created by Muslims. Sadam was create by his parents. Stop trying to blame the US for everything.



You are missing my point -

with the best of intentions - the USA created one monster after another.


You are missing the point. The US did not create ISIS. Local Muslims created ISIS. I realise you are trying to point out a trend to me Bobby, but if every single point along the trend is a lie, then the trend is also a lie. If you seek to find a way to blame the US for every problem in the world, you will find a way, but it does not mean you have a firm grip on reality. It merely means you have a special ability to close your eyes until you only see what you want to see.

Take Nail for example, he can even find an idiotic facebook meme that blames the Jews for ISIS.


And you know that about ISIS from what ? Listening to Andrew Bolt and the rest of the zion MSM shills ??
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Reply #31 - Oct 16th, 2025 at 9:09pm
 
No FD,
tell me your view on history? -

who supported the Taliban and Osama to fight the Russians?

who supported Saddam to fight Iran?

who created a vacuum in Iraq that led to ISIS?

who created the Viet Kong to fight the Japs?

who created Israel on May 14, 1948 ?

who allowed Israel to have 100s of nuclear weapons?

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Reply #32 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:17am
 
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who supported the Taliban and Osama to fight the Russians?


Who created the Taliban? The US? Or the local Muslims who became the Taliban?

The US being involved in worlds event merely reflects that they are a superpower. That is not the same as micromanaging world events. Muslims could have created an infinite variety of organisations every time foreign powers intervened or didn't intervene, leaving a power vacuum. That they chose pretty much every single time to create an evil, oppressive, rape and pillage type of organisation reflects the choices of local Muslims under the influence of Islam, not the creation of foreign powers.

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And you know that about ISIS from what ? Listening to Andrew Bolt and the rest of the zion MSM shills ??


Here's a good starting point for you Nail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State

It is a lot better than believing every idiotic conspiracy theory that comes across your facebook feed.

Nail where do you get your constant stream of BS conspiracy theories from? Is there a facebook group called I'm an idiot, please lie to me so I can mouth of somewhere else and look like an idiot?
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Reply #33 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:30am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:17am:
Quote:
who supported the Taliban and Osama to fight the Russians?


Who created the Taliban? The US? Or the local Muslims who became the Taliban?

The US being involved in worlds event merely reflects that they are a superpower. That is not the same as micromanaging world events. Muslims could have created an infinite variety of organisations every time foreign powers intervened or didn't intervene, leaving a power vacuum. That they chose pretty much every single time to create an evil, oppressive, rape and pillage type of organisation reflects the choices of local Muslims under the influence of Islam, not the creation of foreign powers.




We're getting there -
so - when the USA supplied Stinger missiles and other arms to an Islamic group -
namely Osama Bin Laden's group  -
the USA was not responsible when that group turned on the USA?

When the Yanks went into Iraq did they have a good plan for
what happened afterwards when they created a power vacuum for ISIS?

It looks to me like all they ever do is solve one problem and create 10 more problems.
In some ways they would be better to stop meddling in world affairs?
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Reply #34 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:44am
 
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so - when the USA supplied Stinger missiles and other arms to an Islamic group -
namely Osama Bin Laden's group  -
the USA was not responsible when that group turned on the USA?


Al-Qaeda was responsible for their attacks on the US. No-one else. Just because they are Muslims does not mean you have to go looking for someone else to blame. The Taliban were not "bin laden's group".

The US did not create the Taliban.

The US did not create ISIS.

The US did not create Israel.

The US did not create Saddam Hussein.

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When the Yanks went into Iraq did they have a good plan for
what happened afterwards when they created a power vacuum for ISIS?


Of course they had a good plan. The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism.
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Re: the evil Jew/Israeli conspiracies
Reply #35 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:50am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:44am:
Quote:
so - when the USA supplied Stinger missiles and other arms to an Islamic group -
namely Osama Bin Laden's group  -
the USA was not responsible when that group turned on the USA?


Al-Qaeda was responsible for their attacks on the US. No-one else. Just because they are Muslims does not mean you have to go looking for someone else to blame. They were not "bin laden's group".

The US did not create the Taliban.

The US did not create ISIS.

The US did not create Israel.

The US did not create Saddam Hussein.



The USA supplied powerful weapons to all of the above.
Doesn't that also make them at least partially responsible for what has happened?

An analogy:

the local pub has fights every Saturday night -
your solution is go there and hand out baseball bats and knuckle dusters
to one group that you support?
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Reply #36 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:51am
 
The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy in Iraq. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism. Local Muslims took it upon themselves to create ISIS.
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Reply #37 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:58am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:51am:
The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy in Iraq. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism. Local Muslims took it upon themselves to create ISIS.



Nonsense.
Saddam had the Islamic extremists under control using barbaric methods -
the desert in Iraq is full of mass unmarked graves.
They wouldn't dare to try anything when he was in charge.
When the Yanks got rid of Saddam was when the trouble started and it got out of control.
ISIS took over.
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Reply #38 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:59am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:51am:
The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy in Iraq. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism. Local Muslims took it upon themselves to create ISIS.


Hey FD, have you found any Weapons of Mass Deception in Iraq yet or are you still looking for them ?? How much did that cost, and how many lives were  lost in the quest for fake democracy ?? What did it achieve in the end ?

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..."
Cheesy LOL

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Reply #39 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:09am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:59am:
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:51am:
The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy in Iraq. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism. Local Muslims took it upon themselves to create ISIS.


Hey FD, have you found any Weapons of Mass Deception in Iraq yet or are you still looking for them ?? How much did that cost, and how many lives were  lost in the quest for fake democracy ?? What did it achieve in the end ?

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..."
Cheesy LOL





Good video sir brave Nail,
it shows how Israel dragged the USA into the Iraq war.
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Reply #40 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:16am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:09am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:59am:
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:51am:
The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy in Iraq. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism. Local Muslims took it upon themselves to create ISIS.


Hey FD, have you found any Weapons of Mass Deception in Iraq yet or are you still looking for them ?? How much did that cost, and how many lives were  lost in the quest for fake democracy ?? What did it achieve in the end ?

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..."
Cheesy LOL





Good video sir brave Nail,
it shows how Israel dragged the USA into the Iraq war.


Many other nations got sucked into it as well, including us Sad

Ironically, Israel never lifted a finger. They got suckers to do their dirty work for them Sad
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Reply #41 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:19am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:16am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:09am:
Good video sir brave Nail,
it shows how Israel dragged the USA into the Iraq war.


Many other nations got sucked into it as well, including us Sad

Ironically Israel never lifted a finger. They got the suckers to do their dirty work Sad



Yes - we do what the Yanks tell us to do -

they don't ask us - they tell us.

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Reply #42 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:20am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:51am:
The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy in Iraq. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism. Local Muslims took it upon themselves to create ISIS.



Nonsense.
Saddam had the Islamic extremists under control using barbaric methods -
the desert in Iraq is full of mass unmarked graves.
They wouldn't dare to try anything when he was in charge.
When the Yanks got rid of Saddam was when the trouble started and it got out of control.
ISIS took over.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_want_of_a_nail

For want of a nail the shoe was lost;
for want of a shoe the horse was lost;
and for want of a horse the rider was lost,
being overtaken and slain by the enemy,
all for want of care about a horse-shoe nail.

Causation: In tort law, this proverb is used to question whether a defendant's negligence was the direct cause of a plaintiff's damage. The phrase is often invoked to argue that a connection between the defendant's act and the plaintiff's injury is too tenuous or remote to be legally actionable.

The people who created ISIS are responsible for creating ISIS. They are the members of ISIS. The members of ISIS who raped and pillaged their way across the middle east are responsible for raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

You cannot blame America for toppling Saddam. You cannot blame the British for creating America. You cannot blame the Romans, French and vikings for their role in creating Britain. You cannot blame the first human beings who walked out of Africa. Why are you so desperate to avoid blaming the people who actually created ISIS for creating ISIS?

Also, the fact that Iraq had the worst human rights in the world under Saddam does not somehow increase America's responsibility for ISIS.
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Reply #43 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:25am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:20am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:51am:
The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy in Iraq. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism. Local Muslims took it upon themselves to create ISIS.



Nonsense.
Saddam had the Islamic extremists under control using barbaric methods -
the desert in Iraq is full of mass unmarked graves.
They wouldn't dare to try anything when he was in charge.
When the Yanks got rid of Saddam was when the trouble started and it got out of control.
ISIS took over.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_want_of_a_nail

For want of a nail the shoe was lost;
for want of a shoe the horse was lost;
and for want of a horse the rider was lost,
being overtaken and slain by the enemy,
all for want of care about a horse-shoe nail.

Causation: In tort law, this proverb is used to question whether a defendant's negligence was the direct cause of a plaintiff's damage. The phrase is often invoked to argue that a connection between the defendant's act and the plaintiff's injury is too tenuous or remote to be legally actionable.

The people who created ISIS are responsible for creating ISIS. They are the members of ISIS. The members of ISIS who raped and pillaged their way across the middle east are responsible for raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

You cannot blame America for toppling Saddam. You cannot blame the British for creating America. You cannot blame the Romans, French and vikings for their role in creating Britain. You cannot blame the first human beings who walked out of Africa. Why are you so desperate to avoid blaming the people who actually created ISIS for creating ISIS?

Also, the fact that Iraq had the worst human rights in the world under Saddam does not somehow increase America's responsibility for ISIS.



Nice quote but at least Saddam knew what he was dealing with -
savage Islamic extremists - and he had them under control -
the Yanks had no day after plan when they got rid of Saddam -
that led to ISIS and the destruction of Syria.
The effects are ongoing today.
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Re: the evil Jew/Israeli conspiracies
Reply #44 - Oct 17th, 2025 at 9:25am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2025 at 8:50am:
The USA supplied powerful weapons to all of the above.
Doesn't that also make them at least partially responsible for what has happened?

An analogy:

the local pub has fights every Saturday night -
your solution is go there and hand out baseball bats and knuckle dusters
to one group that you support?



So much for 'Muslims are just like us', eh?

Is our children learning? No. We are importing them by the million into the West.

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