Bobby. wrote on Oct 17
th, 2025 at 8:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 17
th, 2025 at 8:51am:
The US spent about 2 decades trying to set up a democracy in Iraq. You will not find anything like that in world history, ever. To blame them for ISIS because they somehow "did not try hard enough" is a backbreaking effort at spineless apologetics for Islamic mainstreamism. Local Muslims took it upon themselves to create ISIS.
Nonsense.
Saddam had the Islamic extremists under control using barbaric methods -
the desert in Iraq is full of mass unmarked graves.
They wouldn't dare to try anything when he was in charge.
When the Yanks got rid of Saddam was when the trouble started and it got out of control.
ISIS took over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_want_of_a_nail
For want of a nail the shoe was lost;
for want of a shoe the horse was lost;
and for want of a horse the rider was lost,
being overtaken and slain by the enemy,
all for want of care about a horse-shoe nail.
Causation: In tort law, this proverb is used to question whether a defendant's negligence was the direct cause of a plaintiff's damage. The phrase is often invoked to argue that a connection between the defendant's act and the plaintiff's injury is too tenuous or remote to be legally actionable.
The people who created ISIS are responsible for creating ISIS. They are the members of ISIS. The members of ISIS who raped and pillaged their way across the middle east are responsible for raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.
You cannot blame America for toppling Saddam. You cannot blame the British for creating America. You cannot blame the Romans, French and vikings for their role in creating Britain. You cannot blame the first human beings who walked out of Africa. Why are you so desperate to avoid blaming the people who actually created ISIS for creating ISIS?
Also, the fact that Iraq had the worst human rights in the world under Saddam does not somehow increase America's responsibility for ISIS.