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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #30 - Oct 14^th, 2025 at 11:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 7:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:46pm:

Is there any evidence that COVID vaccines do cause cancer?

No. Beyond the controversy surrounding the South Korean study, global medical and scientific authorities have unequivocally affirmed the safety of the vaccines and have denied any link to cancer.

Experts from BMJ, the medical journal, have stated that there is no evidence supporting claims that mRNA vaccines are linked to cancer, noting that global epidemiological tracking data shows no surge in cancer cases following vaccine rollouts.

Contrary to the claims circulating, the Korean researchers emphasised the limitations of their conclusions and denied offering any evidence of causality.

In their conclusion, the study’s authors stated: “Given the limited availability of real-world data, our population-based cohort study in Seoul, South Korea suggested epidemiological associations between the cumulative incidence of cancers and COVID-19 vaccination, which varied by sex, age and vaccine type. However, further studies are warranted to elucidate potential causal relationships, including the underlying molecular mechanisms related to COVID-19 vaccine-induced hyperinflammation.”

This quote clearly shows that the study presented only “epidemiological associations” and called for further research to explore potential causal links. Therefore, any claim that vaccines “cause” cancer is a direct distortion of the facts.

'any claim that vaccines “cause” cancer is a direct distortion of the facts.'

'the Korean researchers emphasised the limitations of their conclusions and denied offering any evidence of causality.'

Yes, but Lee didn't see that part, Greggery. You can't expect him to read every little thing, no?

Redeculous.

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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #31 - Oct 14^th, 2025 at 11:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 8:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 7:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:46pm:

Is there any evidence that COVID vaccines do cause cancer?

No. Beyond the controversy surrounding the South Korean study, global medical and scientific authorities have unequivocally affirmed the safety of the vaccines and have denied any link to cancer.

Experts from BMJ, the medical journal, have stated that there is no evidence supporting claims that mRNA vaccines are linked to cancer, noting that global epidemiological tracking data shows no surge in cancer cases following vaccine rollouts.

Contrary to the claims circulating, the Korean researchers emphasised the limitations of their conclusions and denied offering any evidence of causality.

In their conclusion, the study’s authors stated: “Given the limited availability of real-world data, our population-based cohort study in Seoul, South Korea suggested epidemiological associations between the cumulative incidence of cancers and COVID-19 vaccination, which varied by sex, age and vaccine type. However, further studies are warranted to elucidate potential causal relationships, including the underlying molecular mechanisms related to COVID-19 vaccine-induced hyperinflammation.”

This quote clearly shows that the study presented only “epidemiological associations” and called for further research to explore potential causal links. Therefore, any claim that vaccines “cause” cancer is a direct distortion of the facts.

'any claim that vaccines “cause” cancer is a direct distortion of the facts.'

'the Korean researchers emphasised the limitations of their conclusions and denied offering any evidence of causality.'

In scientific terms, an “epidemiological association” indicates a statistical relationship or common pattern between two events, without implying that one causes the other.

To illustrate, if ice cream sales rise in the summer while drowning incidents also increase, there is an epidemiological correlation, but this does not mean that ice cream causes drowning; the common cause is warm weather causing people to eat ice creams and go swimming.

The manipulation occurs when this correlation is twisted into “definitive causality”, the trap influencers fell into. They ignored the scientific warnings and promoted the claim that vaccines “increase the risk”.

The true explanation likely lies in a phenomenon known as “surveillance bias”. People who were more inclined to receive the vaccine were often more diligent about medical check-ups and regular screenings, meaning cancer was diagnosed earlier – not caused by the vaccine.

Oh, I don't know. I'd say the more true explanation lies in a phenomenon known as Lee Googling article titles and ignoring the articles themselves.

Correlation not causation.

Year 9 maths, innit.

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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #32 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 8:11am

HINES: Listen, we all have different views here. And when you say misinformation, disinformation, we could go back to COVID when —

HOSTIN: He’s connecting circumcision to autism.

HINES: May I finish?

WHOOPI GOLDBERG: Please.

HINES: When people, Fauci, people were saying when you get the vaccine, you cannot transmit COVID, it will stop COVID. And that was disinformation, misinformation.

ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN: We were also still learning about it. It was a novel virus we’ve never encountered before. Because now the doctors will acknowledge that it can.

HOSTIN: And Dr. Fauci has a medical degree.

HINES: At the time, they were censoring Bobby, because Bobby said, where’s the science to show us this? And there wasn’t any. But people attacked him and said, you’re wrong

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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #33 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:03am

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 8:11am:

HINES: Listen, we all have different views here. And when you say misinformation, disinformation, we could go back to COVID when —

HOSTIN: He’s connecting circumcision to autism.

HINES: May I finish?

WHOOPI GOLDBERG: Please.

HINES: When people, Fauci, people were saying when you get the vaccine, you cannot transmit COVID, it will stop COVID. And that was disinformation, misinformation.

ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN: We were also still learning about it. It was a novel virus we’ve never encountered before. Because now the doctors will acknowledge that it can.

HOSTIN: And Dr. Fauci has a medical degree.

HINES: At the time, they were censoring Bobby, because Bobby said, where’s the science to show us this? And there wasn’t any. But people attacked him and said, you’re wrong

Early communication from health officials was overconfident, but based on the best available evidence at the time.

When more data emerged, recommendations changed. Science self-corrects, conspiracy theorists don't.

RFK Jr wasn't "censored for asking questions". He was platforming demonstrably false claims about vaccines long before COVID existed, such as vaccines causing autism, Wi-Fi causing cancer, and yes, circumcision causing autism.

Being accidentally adjacent to a correct point once does not grant credibility to make wild medical claims forever after.

That's broken clock logic.

No wonder it resonates with you Frank.

Speaking of self-correcting, I still see people peddling completely false claims about ivermectin. Those conspiracies never corrected themselves, because conspiracy theorists never correct themselves.

I'm sure you still believe that rubbish too.

And that's the problem. Because the crackpots who push this nonsense never admit when they're wrong, especially malcontents like you, Frank, you interpret obstinacy as strength. When science updates its conclusions based on new evidence, you twist that into "lying". When grifters refuse to acknowledge reality, you celebrate that as "truth".

It's deranged to frame the pursuit of factual accuracy as deception, and denial of reality as virtue.

That sort of backwards logic explains a lot about you, Frank.

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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #35 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:55am

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:24am:

There was never any scientific evidence that the vaccines prevented transmission or that they stopped covid. It was all deliberate lies by the experts in charge.

There was scientific evidence the vaccines reduced transmission (especially early on), and there's very strong evidence they cut severe illness, hospitalisation and death. But the picture changed as the virus evolved (notably with Omicron) and vaccine protection against infection/transmission waned, which led to confusing messaging and updated recommendations.

Randomised trials and real-world studies found vaccination reduced symptomatic infections and, by lowering viral load and shortening infectious periods, reduced onward transmission for the original strains and for Alpha/Delta.

I know it doesn't suit your narrative, but you can read all about it here.

No convincing evidence supports the claim that public-health experts were deliberately lying. What happened was this:

- Guidance was based on the best available evidence at the time.

- Evidence changed as we learned more (new variants, immune waning, real-world effectiveness).

- Public messages were sometimes simplified for clarity and public uptake, which occasionally over-promised or failed to caveat uncertainty properly.

That's scientific process + communication limitations, not proof of a coordinated, deliberate deception. WHO and national agencies have repeatedly updated advice as new data arrived.

Contrast that to the information that RFK Jr spreads and much of that is deliberate misrepresentations of the fact or flat-out lies.

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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #36 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 11:52am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:55am:

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:24am:

There was never any scientific evidence that the vaccines prevented transmission or that they stopped covid. It was all deliberate lies by the experts in charge.

There was scientific evidence the vaccines reduced transmission (especially early on), and there's very strong evidence they cut severe illness, hospitalisation and death. But the picture changed as the virus evolved (notably with Omicron) and vaccine protection against infection/transmission waned, which led to confusing messaging and updated recommendations.

Randomised trials and real-world studies found vaccination reduced symptomatic infections and, by lowering viral load and shortening infectious periods, reduced onward transmission for the original strains and for Alpha/Delta.

I know it doesn't suit your narrative, but you can read all about it here.

No convincing evidence supports the claim that public-health experts were deliberately lying. What happened was this:

- Guidance was based on the best available evidence at the time.

- Evidence changed as we learned more (new variants, immune waning, real-world effectiveness).

- Public messages were sometimes simplified for clarity and public uptake, which occasionally over-promised or failed to caveat uncertainty properly.

That's scientific process + communication limitations, not proof of a coordinated, deliberate deception. WHO and national agencies have repeatedly updated advice as new data arrived.

Contrast that to the information that RFK Jr spreads and much of that is deliberate misrepresentations of the fact or flat-out lies.

Science? Facts? Well referenced articles from health professionals?

Oh no, Frank won't be interested in any of that.

Do you have a TikTok video?

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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #37 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 12:41pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 11:07pm:

Oh, I don't know. I'd say the more true explanation lies in a phenomenon known as Lee Googling article titles and ignoring the articles themselves.

Correlation not causation.

IF you had read - What I posted was that there was a "link". Not that there was causality, I know you don't understand the meanings of terms, but perhaps you should try harder.

"27% overall increase in cancer linked to the COVID-19 injections"

And as they said further studies are necessatry. Roll Eyes

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19466 Gender:	Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK Reply #38 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 12:42pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 7:42pm: 'any claim that vaccines “cause” cancer is a direct distortion of the facts.' "linked" is not the same as "caused".
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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #39 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:20pm

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

A large-scale population study out of South Korea has now found a 27% overall increase in cancer linked to the COVID-19 injections that were marketed as “safe and effective.”

Dr. John Campbell noted: “There’s a one in a thousand chance that this result arose by chance.”

Dr. Campbell?

Is he a GP? Paediatrician? Immunologist?

Oh, hang on - I'm guessing he's an Oncologist, yeah?

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Reply #40 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:20pm:

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

A large-scale population study out of South Korea has now found a 27% overall increase in cancer linked to the COVID-19 injections that were marketed as “safe and effective.”

Dr. John Campbell noted: “There’s a one in a thousand chance that this result arose by chance.”

Dr. Campbell?

Is he a GP? Paediatrician? Immunologist?

Oh, hang on - I'm guessing he's an Oncologist, yeah?

And nothing there about causation. Why do you promote that? Roll Eyes

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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #41 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:42pm

lee wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:20pm:

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

A large-scale population study out of South Korea has now found a 27% overall increase in cancer linked to the COVID-19 injections that were marketed as “safe and effective.”

Dr. John Campbell noted: “There’s a one in a thousand chance that this result arose by chance.”

Dr. Campbell?

Is he a GP? Paediatrician? Immunologist?

Oh, hang on - I'm guessing he's an Oncologist, yeah?

And nothing there about causation. Why do you promote that? Roll Eyes

Just to clarify, lee - is Dr. Campbell an Oncologist or just a regular GP?

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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #42 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:42pm:

lee wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:20pm:

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

A large-scale population study out of South Korea has now found a 27% overall increase in cancer linked to the COVID-19 injections that were marketed as “safe and effective.”

Dr. John Campbell noted: “There’s a one in a thousand chance that this result arose by chance.”

Dr. Campbell?

Is he a GP? Paediatrician? Immunologist?

Oh, hang on - I'm guessing he's an Oncologist, yeah?

And nothing there about causation. Why do you promote that? Roll Eyes

Just to clarify, lee - is Dr. Campbell an Oncologist or just a regular GP?

Oh, lee's gone Undecided

Turns out Dr. Campbell isn't an Oncologist or a GP.

Hello Everyone,
My name is John Campbell and I am a retired Nurse Teacher and former clinical nurse based in England.

I also do some teaching in Asia and Africa when time permits. These videos are to help students to learn the background to all forms of health care.

My PhD focused on the development of open learning resources for nurses nationally and internationally.

Ah! Roll Eyes

He's a nurse with a PhD in teaching.

Glad we cleared that up, hey lee Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19466 Gender:	Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK Reply #43 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 3:05pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:53pm: Oh, lee's gone Nope.greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:53pm: Turns out Dr. Campbell isn't an Oncologist or a GP. And still nothing about the study saying causation.
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Re: Former Surgeons Generals warn re RFK
Reply #44 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:28pm

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:24am:

There was never any scientific evidence that the vaccines prevented transmission or that they stopped covid. It was all deliberate lies by the experts in charge.

Oh look, the old boy's become a naughty old anti-vaxxer - five years after covid's over.

How diabolically cunning, no? Back in 2021, the old boy lined up for his vax like a healthy old cadaver.

As you do. Back after Port Arthur, he supported Howard's gun laws too. Didn't we all?

And yes, the old boy secretly supports the right to abortion too, along with universal health care, basic living wages, good government and all those sneaky old luxuries we leftard countries bestow on our citizens and those cunning enough to immigrate, like the old boy.

Who wouldn't?

When it comes to the US of A, however, it's how very dare you. There, the old boy supports the worst government possible. Corruption, gerrymandering, environmental devastation, health care for the rich, a $7.25 minimum wage and the highest gun death rate in the OECD. There, the old boy supports billionaires cutting the most meagre government services to give themselves a big, beautiful tax cuts that, even then, ads $8 trill to the deficit.

And to distract from his program of cognitive dissonance and doublethink, the old boy takes glee in seeing public health officials like Fauci rounded up and jailed for spruiking the jab the old boy not only took, but praised his DL for getting on the market in record time.

Of course he's now an anti-vaxxer. Of course he's anti-science and anti-government too. There's not much the old boy's really for. Pro-life? The poor dear was laid to rest in 2007.

So you listen to Frank, leftards. Get busy living or get busy dying.

We will make America great again, no?

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