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Reply #15 - Oct 3rd, 2025 at 5:14pm
 

Despite the shutdown, JD Vance is still on the job.

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Reply #16 - Oct 3rd, 2025 at 7:35pm
 
This is really why the government is shut down…

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Reply #17 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:36am
 
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“While 59 percent of households headed by an illegal immigrant receive welfare, just 20 percent of illegal immigrant heads personally receive welfare themselves,” CIS’s Jason Richwine wrote in March.

“Other members of their households, who are usually legal residents, make up the difference,” Richwine continues. “The head-household distinction is especially noticeable with Medicaid, as just 1 percent of illegal household heads receive Medicaid — typically in emergency situations — but receipt by other household members pushes the rate all the way up to 39 percent.”


As Richwine details, illegal aliens most often secure welfare benefits by having their U.S.-citizen children or relatives — with whom they reside — apply for the benefits.

A memo from the White House, issued this week, estimates that Democrats’ demands to reopen the government would ensure almost $200 billion in taxpayer-funded healthcare benefits for illegal aliens.
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Reply #18 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:44am
 
According to the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), a non-partisan independent research organization in the United States, nearly 400,000 "anchor babies" are born across the United States each year.


That's about 8 million in 20 years. Add all the fast tracked and 'forgiven by Biden' invaders and you have your 11 million 'Americans' for whom the Demxs have closed down the government.


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Reply #19 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:44am
 
According to the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), a non-partisan independent research organization in the United States, nearly 400,000 "anchor babies" are born across the United States each year.


That's about 8 million in 20 years. Add all the fast tracked and 'forgiven by Biden' invaders and you have your 11 million 'Americans' for whom the Demxs have closed down the government.


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Reply #20 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 6:39am
 
This is such a win for Trump.
Firstly Trump NEEDS an enemy to fight against or he looks lame.

Secondly, the idea of illegals getting free health care when so many hard working Americans are bankrupted by health bills is such a WINNER for the big fella.

Add in this gives him a chance to not pay and to make redundant public servants.

Wow

Donny has created a win win win.


Stupid democrats....the gift that just keeps giving
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Reply #21 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 6:42am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 7:12am:


Of course you’d be cheering on a Mentally Deranged unhinged TDS sufferer who called for the assassination of Donald Trump.

They’re your people - Liars, Violent, Scum of the earth.
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Reply #22 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 7:27am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:44am:
According to the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), a non-partisan independent research organization in the United States, nearly 400,000 "anchor babies" are born across the United States each year.


That's about 8 million in 20 years. Add all the fast tracked and 'forgiven by Biden' invaders and you have your 11 million 'Americans' for whom the Demxs have closed down the government.




So, they're legal then?

Birthright citizenship guarantees that children born in the United States are American citizens, full stop, and as such they are entitled to welfare under the 14th Amendment. That includes Medicaid/CHIP, SNAP, TANF, and WIC, at least until Trump guts those programs under the Big Beautiful Bill.

Their undocumented parents? They get nothing beyond emergency medical care, the same narrow carve-out signed into law under Ronald Reagan. That's been the law for decades. Democrats aren't trying to change that, and it has nothing to do with so-called "illegals."

What you're really doing is peddling a lie. You're talking about rewriting the Constitution itself to strip existing rights from citizen children. Even in your hypothetical world, those kids wouldn't be "illegals," they'd be reclassified citizens suddenly stripped of protections they've always had. If they were considered illegal, they'd no longer qualify for these programs should they still exist.  So even then, your claim falls apart.

The truth is this, the Democrats are trying to stop Trump from ripping healthcare away from 15–17 million Americans. Legal Americans. The people losing coverage aren't "illegals," they're ordinary citizens cut adrift by cuts Republicans already locked into law with the Big Beautiful Bill.

That's why Democrats want the budget bill to include provisions that keep those services funded beyond January 1st, 2027, when the Republican-mandated cuts kick in. Trump has flat-out refused, choosing to shut the government down rather than negotiate.

It's not even unprecedented. This is the second time Republicans have shut the government down over their obsession with stripping healthcare from their own citizens. They did it in 2013, when House Republicans refused to pass a budget unless Obamacare was gutted. And now here we are again.

So spare us the nonsense about Democrats handing out healthcare to "illegals."

The facts expose that for what it is, a con designed to trick the gullible into cheering while Trump strips healthcare from millions of Americans. And the cruel irony? Many of the very people chanting his name are the ones about to lose the most.
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Reply #23 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 7:33am
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 6:39am:
This is such a win for Trump.
Firstly Trump NEEDS an enemy to fight against or he looks lame.

Secondly, the idea of illegals getting free health care when so many hard working Americans are bankrupted by health bills is such a WINNER for the big fella.

Add in this gives him a chance to not pay and to make redundant public servants.

Wow

Donny has created a win win win.


Stupid democrats....the gift that just keeps giving


That's why the lie works so well.

It's complete bullshit, false from top to bottom.

But MAGA don't care what's true, they revel in being the victim and pointing the finger at someone else. Reality doesn't matter as long as they feel like they're "winning," even if the cost is their own livelihoods.

And Scoot, you should recognise this because it describes you perfectly. Trump's supporters don't measure him by what he delivers for them, they measure him by the punishment he dishes out to people they despise. That's why they can watch him lie without flinching. That's why they call him successful. And that's why they'll never abandon him.

His tormenting of "others" is their fuel, even as they lose their farms, their jobs, their food stamps, and their healthcare.
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Reply #24 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 7:36am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 3rd, 2025 at 4:00pm:
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Rough estimates put it at ~11 million losing coverage due to Medicaid changes, ~4 million from expiring ACA subsidies, plus more from rule changes.



Who are those 'estimated 11 million"?



American citizens and legal residents.  They're the only ones eligible for healthcare under Medicaid and the ACA.

You can read about it, with all the sources and methodology here if you like,

University of Pennsylvania - Leonard Davis Institute of Health Economics: Projected Mortality Impacts of the Budget Reconciliation Bill
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Reply #25 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 8:46am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 7:33am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 6:39am:
This is such a win for Trump.
Firstly Trump NEEDS an enemy to fight against or he looks lame.

Secondly, the idea of illegals getting free health care when so many hard working Americans are bankrupted by health bills is such a WINNER for the big fella.

Add in this gives him a chance to not pay and to make redundant public servants.

Wow

Donny has created a win win win.


Stupid democrats....the gift that just keeps giving


That's why the lie works so well.

It's complete bullshit, false from top to bottom.

But MAGA don't care what's true, they revel in being the victim and pointing the finger at someone else. Reality doesn't matter as long as they feel like they're "winning," even if the cost is their own livelihoods.

And Scoot, you should recognise this because it describes you perfectly. Trump's supporters don't measure him by what he delivers for them, they measure him by the punishment he dishes out to people they despise. That's why they can watch him lie without flinching. That's why they call him successful. And that's why they'll never abandon him.

His tormenting of "others" is their fuel, even as they lose their farms, their jobs, their food stamps, and their healthcare.




Incorrect.

I measure him by his competancy and effectiveness. On both  measures he is worth studying.
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Reply #26 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 9:05am
 

Donald J. Trump (adjudicated rapist and convicted felon), 2013:

"A shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership. I mean the top, and they have to get solved from the top.

"A shutdown means the President is weak."


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Re: Trump owns this shutdown
Reply #27 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 10:52am
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 8:46am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 7:33am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 6:39am:
This is such a win for Trump.
Firstly Trump NEEDS an enemy to fight against or he looks lame.

Secondly, the idea of illegals getting free health care when so many hard working Americans are bankrupted by health bills is such a WINNER for the big fella.

Add in this gives him a chance to not pay and to make redundant public servants.

Wow

Donny has created a win win win.


Stupid democrats....the gift that just keeps giving


That's why the lie works so well.

It's complete bullshit, false from top to bottom.

But MAGA don't care what's true, they revel in being the victim and pointing the finger at someone else. Reality doesn't matter as long as they feel like they're "winning," even if the cost is their own livelihoods.

And Scoot, you should recognise this because it describes you perfectly. Trump's supporters don't measure him by what he delivers for them, they measure him by the punishment he dishes out to people they despise. That's why they can watch him lie without flinching. That's why they call him successful. And that's why they'll never abandon him.

His tormenting of "others" is their fuel, even as they lose their farms, their jobs, their food stamps, and their healthcare.




Incorrect.

I measure him by his competancy and effectiveness. On both  measures he is worth studying.


On both measures, he's failing.  It might be worth studying, but he's not been doing well.
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Reply #28 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 12:19pm
 
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Reply #29 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 12:22pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 10:52am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 8:46am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 7:33am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 6:39am:
This is such a win for Trump.
Firstly Trump NEEDS an enemy to fight against or he looks lame.

Secondly, the idea of illegals getting free health care when so many hard working Americans are bankrupted by health bills is such a WINNER for the big fella.

Add in this gives him a chance to not pay and to make redundant public servants.

Wow

Donny has created a win win win.


Stupid democrats....the gift that just keeps giving


That's why the lie works so well.

It's complete bullshit, false from top to bottom.

But MAGA don't care what's true, they revel in being the victim and pointing the finger at someone else. Reality doesn't matter as long as they feel like they're "winning," even if the cost is their own livelihoods.

And Scoot, you should recognise this because it describes you perfectly. Trump's supporters don't measure him by what he delivers for them, they measure him by the punishment he dishes out to people they despise. That's why they can watch him lie without flinching. That's why they call him successful. And that's why they'll never abandon him.

His tormenting of "others" is their fuel, even as they lose their farms, their jobs, their food stamps, and their healthcare.




Incorrect.

I measure him by his competancy and effectiveness. On both  measures he is worth studying.


On both measures, he's failing.  It might be worth studying, but he's not been doing well.



Depends who is assessing it.

If you are an illegal or a public servant, you might think he isn't doing well
But that's just narcissism and self interest talking.

To many " real " americans , he is doing the right thing.

You need to study more then your own biases roo
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