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Re: Is Coalition Nuclear Power Idea Electoral Suicide
Reply #15 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:03pm

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The problem is only partially that nuclear is still technically not really a good option as much as that the Liberals plan really sux.

You can make a solid argument for a small Nuclear implementation but you cannot make any argument supporting the Liberals actual plan.

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Reply #16 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:07pm

Belgarion wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 8:50pm:

Nuclear is the future. As the power bills soar and supply becomes increasingly unreliable even the ignorant and deluded will see the truth.

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The problem with this argument is that nuclear is still by far the most expensive option so implementing it is causal to power bills soaring and that there is still a lot of leeway both technically and factually before reliability becomes an issue. It is very likely that before we are forced to take action in this direction we may see a successful nuclear option developed or some other technology.

There is no need to rush into an expensive unsafe option prematurely.

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Reply #17 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:44pm

Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 11:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 10:12am:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 8:50pm:

Nuclear is the future. As the power bills soar and supply becomes increasingly unreliable even the ignorant and deluded will see the truth.

I agree .
But let's not forget the central qld basin has enough coal to power Australia for 800 years.
Currently we dig it up and burn it in China so there is no global impact in burning a bit here.
And when inner city elites have to go a few summers without air con and Netflix. They will be demanding a more stable grid.

Personally I have 3 generators and a 5000 litre fuel tank so no skin off my nose

Indeed. The biggest hurdle is the overcoming the ignorance and fear created by decades of misinformation.

The biggest hurdle is cost. Nuclear is already the most expensive option by a huge margin, and the gap is widening. It is obsolete technology.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19386 Gender:	Re: Is Coalition Nuclear Power Idea Electoral Suicide Reply #18 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:49pm freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:21am: You are forgetting about batteries. Plenty of people already live off solar alone with battery storage. Of course, it doesn't actually work driving an energy intensive business from home.
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Reply #20 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:55pm

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:44pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 11:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 10:12am:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 8:50pm:

Nuclear is the future. As the power bills soar and supply becomes increasingly unreliable even the ignorant and deluded will see the truth.

I agree .
But let's not forget the central qld basin has enough coal to power Australia for 800 years.
Currently we dig it up and burn it in China so there is no global impact in burning a bit here.
And when inner city elites have to go a few summers without air con and Netflix. They will be demanding a more stable grid.

Personally I have 3 generators and a 5000 litre fuel tank so no skin off my nose

Indeed. The biggest hurdle is the overcoming the ignorance and fear created by decades of misinformation.

The biggest hurdle is cost. Nuclear is already the most expensive option by a huge margin, and the gap is widening. It is obsolete technology.

& windmills, solar & batteries aren't?

That can't build an industrial sized battery big enough to last more than a couple of hours. Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Coalition Nuclear Power Idea Electoral Suicide
Reply #21 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 2:08pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:44pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 11:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 10:12am:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 8:50pm:

Nuclear is the future. As the power bills soar and supply becomes increasingly unreliable even the ignorant and deluded will see the truth.

I agree .
But let's not forget the central qld basin has enough coal to power Australia for 800 years.
Currently we dig it up and burn it in China so there is no global impact in burning a bit here.
And when inner city elites have to go a few summers without air con and Netflix. They will be demanding a more stable grid.

Personally I have 3 generators and a 5000 litre fuel tank so no skin off my nose

Indeed. The biggest hurdle is the overcoming the ignorance and fear created by decades of misinformation.

The biggest hurdle is cost. Nuclear is already the most expensive option by a huge margin, and the gap is widening. It is obsolete technology.

& windmills, solar & batteries aren't?

That can't build an industrial sized battery big enough to last more than a couple of hours. Roll Eyes

Wind and solar are the cheapest energy source by a wide margin. You can build a battery to any size you want. They are easily scalable. Just build another one next door. It really is that simple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19386 Gender:	Re: Is Coalition Nuclear Power Idea Electoral Suicide Reply #22 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 3:03pm And never mind the gaps in Lazard's methodology on what they don't include.
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