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Oct 1st, 2025 at 4:36am
 
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/after-trump-classifies-decentralized-antifa-...

Hahahahha there are no funders- no organisation. what a load.

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Reply #1 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 4:48am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 4:36am:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/after-trump-classifies-decentralized-antifa-...

Hahahahha there are no funders- no organisation. what a load.

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Although al-Qaida was created as a single entity, today it is a decentralized, networked transnational terrorist organization. At its peak, the group maintained a persistent or semipermanent presence in 76 countries including some that had no discernible Muslim communities but were suited to meet the group’s needs, such as Japan, Bulgaria, and Slovakia [Byman, 2017, р. 1109].

There is no permanent headquarters for the global jihadist movement. Jihadists move to the world areas that are most inaccessible to official governments and regular armies. Failed states can serve as “hospitable hosts” for non-state actors including transnational terrorist groups



Hahaha. Decentralised networked transnational terrorists.

What will they think of next, eh??

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Reply #2 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 4:56am
 
Section 1.  Antifa as a Terrorist Threat.  Antifa is a militarist, anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States Government, law enforcement authorities, and our system of law.  It uses illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide to accomplish these goals.  This campaign involves coordinated efforts to obstruct enforcement of Federal laws through armed standoffs with law enforcement, organized riots, violent assaults on Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other law enforcement officers, and routine doxing of and other threats against political figures and activists.  Antifa recruits, trains, and radicalizes young Americans to engage in this violence and suppression of political activity, then employs elaborate means and mechanisms to shield the identities of its operatives, conceal its funding sources and operations in an effort to frustrate law enforcement, and recruit additional members.  Individuals associated with and acting on behalf of Antifa further coordinate with other organizations and entities for the purpose of spreading, fomenting, and advancing political violence and suppressing lawful political speech.  This organized effort designed to achieve policy objectives by coercion and intimidation is domestic terrorism.

Sec. 2.  Designation as a Domestic Terrorist Organization.  Because of the aforementioned pattern of political violence designed to suppress lawful political activity and obstruct the rule of law, I hereby designate Antifa as a “domestic terrorist organization.”  All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations — especially those involving terrorist actions — conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutorial actions against those who fund such operations.

Sec. 3.  General Provisions.  (a)  This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law.  This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

(b)  This order shall be published in the Federal Register.

                               DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,

    September 22, 2025.
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Reply #3 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:19am
 
of course you already know this but antifa is too general a category. al quiada is a terrorist organisation itself. antifa is not an organisation but a broad term meaning anti fascist.

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Reply #4 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:14am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:19am:
of course you already know this but antifa is too general a category. al quiada is a terrorist organisation itself. antifa is not an organisation but a broad term meaning anti fascist.

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Well, by that "logic" fascism has no organisation or headquarters and is not an organisation, just a broad term.
So it is broad term versus broad term. Vague enough for ya?
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Reply #5 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:23am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:19am:
of course you already know this but antifa is too general a category. al quiada is a terrorist organisation itself. antifa is not an organisation but a broad term meaning anti fascist.

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Well, by that "logic" fascism has no organisation or headquarters and is not an organisation, just a broad term.
So it is broad term versus broad term. Vague enough for ya?
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Reply #6 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:54am
 
If antifa is so bad, I don't know why the likes of Grap and Frank won't confirm if they are anti-antifa or not.
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Reply #7 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:59am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:14am:
Well, by that "logic" fascism has no organisation or headquarters and is not an organisation, just a broad term.


Thats why 'fascism' hasn't ever been classified a terrorist organisation ya dumbarse

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Re: antifa
Reply #8 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:59am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:23am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:19am:
of course you already know this but antifa is too general a category. al quiada is a terrorist organisation itself. antifa is not an organisation but a broad term meaning anti fascist.

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Well, by that "logic" fascism has no organisation or headquarters and is not an organisation, just a broad term.
So it is broad term versus broad term. Vague enough for ya?


Fascism isn't an organisation, it's a political ideology. It's not some registered entity with an office, a secretary, and a boardroom, it's a system of ideas and practices centred on authoritarianism, ultranationalism, and suppression of dissent.

That's the same reason Antifa isn't an "organisation" either. It's shorthand for a decentralised movement of people who oppose fascism, not a club with a membership list or a central headquarters.

So pretending this is "broad term versus broad term" is just a rhetorical dodge. Fascism is an ideology, Antifa is a movement defined by opposition to that ideology. There's no equivalence there, unless you want to deliberately muddy the waters.

And surely you can see the irony, trying to make fascism sound harmless by reducing it to a vague label, while at the same time inflating Antifa into some shadowy global organisation. That's not logic, that's spin that you're required to do to cover for the lazy attempts to justify Trump acting against the Constitution and taking away the rights of the people.

MAGA has gone from "don't tread on me" to boot licking.
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Reply #9 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 7:01am
 
so according to the orange rapist, a movement that protests the rise of fascism is a terrorist organisation, but a group of armed maga nuts storming the capital and trying to overturn the govt is not?


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Reply #10 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 7:24am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 7:01am:
so according to the orange rapist, a movement that protests the rise of fascism is a terrorist organisation, but a group of armed maga nuts storming the capital and trying to overturn the govt is not?


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


It's not just Trump.

MAGA and the usual posters here still refuse to call Jan 6th an insurrection, yet they'll label any protest from the left as one.

I remember my sister as a kid, hurling words she didn't understand at anyone she felt threatened by. The most ironic was when someone called her ignorant or naive, she'd attack back with the same labels, completely unaware of their meaning. She was ignorant of the words and too naive to know what she was doing. But she was seven.

The Franks and Graps of this forum, pretending Jan 6th wasn't an insurrection while police brutality protests are labelled as such, are no better than that seven-year-old girl, ignorant, naive, and oblivious to the reality they claim to understand.
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Reply #11 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 1:19pm
 
Hmm. talking of vague definitions -

"More recent cases, such as the 1992 Los Angeles riots and the 2021 Capitol riot, illustrate ongoing challenges in distinguishing between civil unrest and insurrection. These events have prompted legal debates about the balance between civil liberties and national security. The legal outcomes of these cases continue to shape the understanding and application of insurrection laws."

https://legalclarity.org/what-is-the-legal-definition-of-insurrection/

"The law, which lets the president deploy the military domestically and use it for civilian law enforcement, is dangerously vague and in urgent need of reform.

The Insurrection Act needs a major overhaul. Originally enacted in 1792, the law grants the president the authority to deploy the U.S. military domestically and use it against Americans under certain conditions. While there are rare circumstances in which such authority might be necessary, the law, which has not been meaningfully updated in over 150 years, is dangerously overbroad and ripe for abuse."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/insurrection-act-explain...

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Reply #12 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 3:59pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:59am:
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:23am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:19am:
of course you already know this but antifa is too general a category. al quiada is a terrorist organisation itself. antifa is not an organisation but a broad term meaning anti fascist.

Spot


Well, by that "logic" fascism has no organisation or headquarters and is not an organisation, just a broad term.
So it is broad term versus broad term. Vague enough for ya?


Fascism isn't an organisation, it's a political ideology. It's not some registered entity with an office, a secretary, and a boardroom, it's a system of ideas and practices centred on authoritarianism, ultranationalism, and suppression of dissent.

That's the same reason Antifa isn't an "organisation" either. It's shorthand for a decentralised movement of people who oppose fascism, not a club with a membership list or a central headquarters.

So pretending this is "broad term versus broad term" is just a rhetorical dodge. Fascism is an ideology, Antifa is a movement defined by opposition to that ideology. There's no equivalence there, unless you want to deliberately muddy the waters.

And surely you can see the irony, trying to make fascism sound harmless by reducing it to a vague label, while at the same time inflating Antifa into some shadowy global organisation. That's not logic, that's spin that you're required to do to cover for the lazy attempts to justify Trump acting against the Constitution and taking away the rights of the people.

MAGA has gone from "don't tread on me" to boot licking.


So it is broad term ideology versus broad term ideology. Precise enough for ya?[
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Reply #13 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 4:18pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 3:59pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:59am:
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:23am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:19am:
of course you already know this but antifa is too general a category. al quiada is a terrorist organisation itself. antifa is not an organisation but a broad term meaning anti fascist.

Spot


Well, by that "logic" fascism has no organisation or headquarters and is not an organisation, just a broad term.
So it is broad term versus broad term. Vague enough for ya?


Fascism isn't an organisation, it's a political ideology. It's not some registered entity with an office, a secretary, and a boardroom, it's a system of ideas and practices centred on authoritarianism, ultranationalism, and suppression of dissent.

That's the same reason Antifa isn't an "organisation" either. It's shorthand for a decentralised movement of people who oppose fascism, not a club with a membership list or a central headquarters.

So pretending this is "broad term versus broad term" is just a rhetorical dodge. Fascism is an ideology, Antifa is a movement defined by opposition to that ideology. There's no equivalence there, unless you want to deliberately muddy the waters.

And surely you can see the irony, trying to make fascism sound harmless by reducing it to a vague label, while at the same time inflating Antifa into some shadowy global organisation. That's not logic, that's spin that you're required to do to cover for the lazy attempts to justify Trump acting against the Constitution and taking away the rights of the people.

MAGA has gone from "don't tread on me" to boot licking.


So it is broad term ideology versus broad term ideology. Precise enough for ya?[


No dummy, one is a political ideology, and one describes individuals who oppose that political ideology.

It's pretty simple if you actually care about reality, not simply reinforcing your desire to wear a red hat.
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Reply #14 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 4:29pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 3:59pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:59am:
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:23am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:19am:
of course you already know this but antifa is too general a category. al quiada is a terrorist organisation itself. antifa is not an organisation but a broad term meaning anti fascist.

Spot


Well, by that "logic" fascism has no organisation or headquarters and is not an organisation, just a broad term.
So it is broad term versus broad term. Vague enough for ya?


Fascism isn't an organisation, it's a political ideology. It's not some registered entity with an office, a secretary, and a boardroom, it's a system of ideas and practices centred on authoritarianism, ultranationalism, and suppression of dissent.

That's the same reason Antifa isn't an "organisation" either. It's shorthand for a decentralised movement of people who oppose fascism, not a club with a membership list or a central headquarters.

So pretending this is "broad term versus broad term" is just a rhetorical dodge. Fascism is an ideology, Antifa is a movement defined by opposition to that ideology. There's no equivalence there, unless you want to deliberately muddy the waters.

And surely you can see the irony, trying to make fascism sound harmless by reducing it to a vague label, while at the same time inflating Antifa into some shadowy global organisation. That's not logic, that's spin that you're required to do to cover for the lazy attempts to justify Trump acting against the Constitution and taking away the rights of the people.

MAGA has gone from "don't tread on me" to boot licking.


So it is broad term ideology versus broad term ideology. Precise enough for ya?[


No dummy, one is a political ideology, and one describes individuals who oppose that political ideology.

It's pretty simple if you actually care about reality, not simply reinforcing your desire to wear a red hat.

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


So one is an ideology without individuals, the other is individuals without an ideology.

You are on ludacris cam, teapot. Go on. Give us another one.  Grin Grin Grin



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