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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #135 - Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:47am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:37am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 12:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 8:35am:

Comey being indicted bodes badly for the USA.

the left should never have started the lawfare.

It is now in a feedback loop.

They didn't.

Trump and his cronies broke the law, and the law finally caught up with them.

Targeting Comey, however, is lawfare. Trump opened that door, and frankly, I hope the Democrats kick it off its hinges.

Nixon may have dodged prison, but his Attorney-General didn't. There's an entire ecosystem of loyalists running interference for Trump, from Pam Bondi trying to pirouette around the truth under oath in her recent committee appearance, right down to the rank-and-file ICE agents blindly carrying out unlawful directives. The law will catch up with them as well, and rightly so.

Trump was never a "victim". Just because you don't like those you're devoted to facing consequences for their actions, doesn't make them victims.

It just makes you a partisan hack.

Nah.

You need to read Harvey silvergates excellent work" 3 felonies a day"

He points out that US law is so complicated with so many regulations that you can pin 3 felonies on just about anyone.

Trump was targeted for data on a loan application which he paid back in full and which the bank had no issue with.

The left started this cycle and it is now a feedback loop.
Nah.

You don't need to manufacture felonies for Trump, the bloke hands them out like party favours. He's been at it his whole life.

He's weaponised the legal system for decades to dodge consequences, but now that it's finally catching up to him, you're throwing a tantrum. Like every other glass-jawed reactionary, you can't handle accountability, so you go hunting for a scapegoat. It could never be him, and it sure as hell could never be you, because that would require a shred of introspection.

So the precious little victim routine rolls on...

So Comey is indicted, James is charged - and that all means that thing are catching up with Trump.... And it's victimhood, don't you know... Oh, yes!

You mongs just parrot the same emo crap regardless of what is actually happening in the real world.
For despicable creepy gweggy, for example, the Gaza deal is just a distraction.

You mongs are insane, consumed.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #136 - Oct 14^th, 2025 at 8:49am

Frank wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:37am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 12:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 8:35am:

Comey being indicted bodes badly for the USA.

the left should never have started the lawfare.

It is now in a feedback loop.

They didn't.

Trump and his cronies broke the law, and the law finally caught up with them.

Targeting Comey, however, is lawfare. Trump opened that door, and frankly, I hope the Democrats kick it off its hinges.

Nixon may have dodged prison, but his Attorney-General didn't. There's an entire ecosystem of loyalists running interference for Trump, from Pam Bondi trying to pirouette around the truth under oath in her recent committee appearance, right down to the rank-and-file ICE agents blindly carrying out unlawful directives. The law will catch up with them as well, and rightly so.

Trump was never a "victim". Just because you don't like those you're devoted to facing consequences for their actions, doesn't make them victims.

It just makes you a partisan hack.

Nah.

You need to read Harvey silvergates excellent work" 3 felonies a day"

He points out that US law is so complicated with so many regulations that you can pin 3 felonies on just about anyone.

Trump was targeted for data on a loan application which he paid back in full and which the bank had no issue with.

The left started this cycle and it is now a feedback loop.
Nah.

You don't need to manufacture felonies for Trump, the bloke hands them out like party favours. He's been at it his whole life.

He's weaponised the legal system for decades to dodge consequences, but now that it's finally catching up to him, you're throwing a tantrum. Like every other glass-jawed reactionary, you can't handle accountability, so you go hunting for a scapegoat. It could never be him, and it sure as hell could never be you, because that would require a shred of introspection.

So the precious little victim routine rolls on...

So Comey is indicted, James is charged - and that all means that thing are catching up with Trump.... And it's victimhood, don't you know... Oh, yes!

You mongs just parrot the same emo crap regardless of what is actually happening in the real world.
For despicable creepy gweggy, for example, the Gaza deal is just a distraction.

You mongs are insane, consumed.

It is a distraction.

And it's also being used as a photo op as well as a chance to boost the GOP's (Guardians Of Paedophiles) chances in the mid-terms.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Trump wanting to save other people's lives - it's all about him.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #137 - Oct 14^th, 2025 at 10:48pm

Frank wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:37am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 12:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 8:35am:

Comey being indicted bodes badly for the USA.

the left should never have started the lawfare.

It is now in a feedback loop.

They didn't.

Trump and his cronies broke the law, and the law finally caught up with them.

Targeting Comey, however, is lawfare. Trump opened that door, and frankly, I hope the Democrats kick it off its hinges.

Nixon may have dodged prison, but his Attorney-General didn't. There's an entire ecosystem of loyalists running interference for Trump, from Pam Bondi trying to pirouette around the truth under oath in her recent committee appearance, right down to the rank-and-file ICE agents blindly carrying out unlawful directives. The law will catch up with them as well, and rightly so.

Trump was never a "victim". Just because you don't like those you're devoted to facing consequences for their actions, doesn't make them victims.

It just makes you a partisan hack.

Nah.

You need to read Harvey silvergates excellent work" 3 felonies a day"

He points out that US law is so complicated with so many regulations that you can pin 3 felonies on just about anyone.

Trump was targeted for data on a loan application which he paid back in full and which the bank had no issue with.

The left started this cycle and it is now a feedback loop.
Nah.

You don't need to manufacture felonies for Trump, the bloke hands them out like party favours. He's been at it his whole life.

He's weaponised the legal system for decades to dodge consequences, but now that it's finally catching up to him, you're throwing a tantrum. Like every other glass-jawed reactionary, you can't handle accountability, so you go hunting for a scapegoat. It could never be him, and it sure as hell could never be you, because that would require a shred of introspection.

So the precious little victim routine rolls on...

So Comey is indicted, James is charged - and that all means that thing are catching up with Trump.... And it's victimhood, don't you know... Oh, yes!

You mongs just parrot the same emo crap regardless of what is actually happening in the real world.
For despicable creepy gweggy, for example, the Gaza deal is just a distraction.

You mongs are insane, consumed.

And let's not forget John Bolton, dear chap. I'd say his days as a pundit on Fox are over, wouldn't you?

After all, in all good conscience, how could they ever put an indicted felon on the air?

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #138 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 9:45am

Frank wrote on Oct 14^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

So Comey is indicted, James is charged - and that all means that thing are catching up with Trump.... And it's victimhood, don't you know... Oh, yes!

That's not what I said.

Yet again with the deliberate misrepresentations. I used to assume you were simply being disingenuous, but now it's becoming more apparent that you're just thick, barging into a conversation you clearly didn't bother to read and flaunting your inability to comprehend even the most basic points.

Scoot was arguing that the supposed "lawfare" against James Comey is justified retaliation for the so-called "lawfare" against Trump.

Before you can judge that claim, you first need to be clear about what Lawfare is.

Lawfare is the strategic use, or threat, of legal action as a weapon to intimidate, silence or delegitimise an opponent, where the legal basis is weak, exaggerated or deliberately manipulated.

That is not what happened to Trump.

What happened to Trump was legal accountability.

He, along with multiple members of his own team, committed crimes. That's not conjecture, that's documented in court records. His associates went to prison for their actions. The only reason Trump himself wasn't indicted at the time was due to institutional constraints shielding a sitting President, and he's now desperately banking on regaining that protection.

That is not lawfare, that is the law finally catching up.

What is lawfare is what's being directed at Comey now.

The entire Department of Justice, including Trump's own appointees, refused to prosecute him because the case was so flimsy that no one with a functioning spine would risk their career on it. It wasn't until Trump scraped up some low level loyalist with no trial experience, someone so eager to please they'd bark on command, that the charges were revived purely for political theatre.

Legal experts across the spectrum agreed, the case never should have been brought.

That's the reality.

You don't like it, so you're trying to spin it into something else, like you always do.

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You mongs just parrot the same emo crap regardless of what is actually happening in the real world.
For despicable creepy gweggy, for example, the Gaza deal is just a distraction.

You mongs are insane, consumed.

You can't even accept what is real, don't pretend to be able to tell anyone what is happening in the real world.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #139 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:13am

Lawfare AGAINST Trump

~The degeneration of "a land of laws" into a land beyond law continues. It is good to see Newt Gingrich weigh in on this, because far too many top-rank Republicans appear to have accepted the Governor of New York's assurance that once Trump is beggared and gaoled everything will go back to normal. Newt writes:

The concept of a fraud trial with no victims, no complaints, and no money lost is an example of political prosecution in disguise. The punitive scale is astonishing. According to The New York Times, there is a $450 million fine (which must be paid to enter the appeals process). Further, the President and his two sons are exiled from doing business in New York for three years – and no New York banks can lend money to pay or post a bond during the appeal.

The US "justice" system has long been somewhat anomalous among Common Law countries. But its capacity to rain down total ruination was at least fairly capricious: You were chugging along, everything ticketty-boo, and then the feds show up; could happen to anyone. But these last three years the courts have been purposely weaponised against one-half of the country's political preference. Latest wrinkle from the corrupt Judge Engoron:

Judge rejects Trump's request for delay in enforcement of civil fraud penalties

In other words, pay that $355 million now or we're taking Trump Tower:

Letitia James says she's prepared to seize Trump's buildings if he can't pay his $354M civil fraud fine

I see the US media are, characteristically, in lockstep in characterising this as a "civil fraud" case - as if it's Smith vs Jones. There is no Smith - "no victims", as Newt puts it. It's the Ruling Party vs its Political Opposition - as the press well knows. Saying "civil" every five minutes is intended to obscure that.

See also:

https://thefederalist.com/2025/10/13/if-anyones-causing-a-judicial-crisis-its-ro...

https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/13/this-week-in-lawfare-land-jack-smith-takes-...

https://thefederalist.com/2025/01/15/grassley-calls-on-bondi-to-ensure-political...

https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/26/trumps-reduced-bond-doesnt-make-letitia-jam...

With lawfare, the process IS the punishment.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #140 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:47am

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

Lawfare AGAINST Trump

Nice copy and paste job again...

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~The degeneration of "a land of laws" into a land beyond law continues. It is good to see Newt Gingrich weigh in on this, because far too many top-rank Republicans appear to have accepted the Governor of New York's assurance that once Trump is beggared and gaoled everything will go back to normal. Newt writes:

The concept of a fraud trial with no victims, no complaints, and no money lost is an example of political prosecution in disguise. The punitive scale is astonishing. According to The New York Times, there is a $450 million fine (which must be paid to enter the appeals process). Further, the President and his two sons are exiled from doing business in New York for three years – and no New York banks can lend money to pay or post a bond during the appeal.

Legally, fraud doesn't require an individual victim to complain. In regulatory fraud cases, the state itself can be considered the harmed party when false statements are used to gain financial advantage, even if no bank complained.

Trump was found to have inflated asset values on loan applications by hundreds of millions to billions of dollars.

Even if the banks got their money back, the law still prohibits falsifying financial statements. Intent and deception are what matter.

This is similar to Martha Stewart going to prison for lying to investigators, not for insider trading itself.

Trump did engage in conduct that is legally defined as fraud, therefore, not lawfare.

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The US "justice" system has long been somewhat anomalous among Common Law countries. But its capacity to rain down total ruination was at least fairly capricious: You were chugging along, everything ticketty-boo, and then the feds show up; could happen to anyone. But these last three years the courts have been purposely weaponised against one-half of the country's political preference. Latest wrinkle from the corrupt Judge Engoron:

Judge rejects Trump's request for delay in enforcement of civil fraud penalties

In other words, pay that $355 million now or we're taking Trump Tower:

Letitia James says she's prepared to seize Trump's buildings if he can't pay his $354M civil fraud fine

Do the crme, do the time.

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I see the US media are, characteristically, in lockstep in characterising this as a "civil fraud" case - as if it's Smith vs Jones. There is no Smith - "no victims", as Newt puts it. It's the Ruling Party vs its Political Opposition - as the press well knows. Saying "civil" every five minutes is intended to obscure that.

The law is clear. You might not like the outcome and who was found guilty, but he committed fraud and the law caught up with him.

That's not Lawfare.

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With lawfare, the process IS the punishment.

It's still not an example of Lawfare. Trump did the crime.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #141 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:03pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

Lawfare AGAINST Trump

Nice copy and paste job again...

Quote:

~The degeneration of "a land of laws" into a land beyond law continues. It is good to see Newt Gingrich weigh in on this, because far too many top-rank Republicans appear to have accepted the Governor of New York's assurance that once Trump is beggared and gaoled everything will go back to normal. Newt writes:

The concept of a fraud trial with no victims, no complaints, and no money lost is an example of political prosecution in disguise. The punitive scale is astonishing. According to The New York Times, there is a $450 million fine (which must be paid to enter the appeals process). Further, the President and his two sons are exiled from doing business in New York for three years – and no New York banks can lend money to pay or post a bond during the appeal.

Legally, fraud doesn't require an individual victim to complain. In regulatory fraud cases, the state itself can be considered the harmed party when false statements are used to gain financial advantage, even if no bank complained.

Trump was found to have inflated asset values on loan applications by hundreds of millions to billions of dollars.

Even if the banks got their money back, the law still prohibits falsifying financial statements. Intent and deception are what matter.

This is similar to Martha Stewart going to prison for lying to investigators, not for insider trading itself.

Trump did engage in conduct that is legally defined as fraud, therefore, not lawfare.

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The US "justice" system has long been somewhat anomalous among Common Law countries. But its capacity to rain down total ruination was at least fairly capricious: You were chugging along, everything ticketty-boo, and then the feds show up; could happen to anyone. But these last three years the courts have been purposely weaponised against one-half of the country's political preference. Latest wrinkle from the corrupt Judge Engoron:

Judge rejects Trump's request for delay in enforcement of civil fraud penalties

In other words, pay that $355 million now or we're taking Trump Tower:

Letitia James says she's prepared to seize Trump's buildings if he can't pay his $354M civil fraud fine

Do the crme, do the time.

Quote:

I see the US media are, characteristically, in lockstep in characterising this as a "civil fraud" case - as if it's Smith vs Jones. There is no Smith - "no victims", as Newt puts it. It's the Ruling Party vs its Political Opposition - as the press well knows. Saying "civil" every five minutes is intended to obscure that.

The law is clear. You might not like the outcome and who was found guilty, but he committed fraud and the law caught up with him.

That's not Lawfare.

Quote:

With lawfare, the process IS the punishment.

It's still not an example of Lawfare. Trump did the crime.

A civil case is NOT a criminal case, stupid little "intellectual.

Lawfare against Trump and the Republicans was started under/by Bazza O'Bama and accelerated rapidly in his third term.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #142 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:08pm

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:03pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

Lawfare AGAINST Trump

Nice copy and paste job again...

Quote:

~The degeneration of "a land of laws" into a land beyond law continues. It is good to see Newt Gingrich weigh in on this, because far too many top-rank Republicans appear to have accepted the Governor of New York's assurance that once Trump is beggared and gaoled everything will go back to normal. Newt writes:

The concept of a fraud trial with no victims, no complaints, and no money lost is an example of political prosecution in disguise. The punitive scale is astonishing. According to The New York Times, there is a $450 million fine (which must be paid to enter the appeals process). Further, the President and his two sons are exiled from doing business in New York for three years – and no New York banks can lend money to pay or post a bond during the appeal.

Legally, fraud doesn't require an individual victim to complain. In regulatory fraud cases, the state itself can be considered the harmed party when false statements are used to gain financial advantage, even if no bank complained.

Trump was found to have inflated asset values on loan applications by hundreds of millions to billions of dollars.

Even if the banks got their money back, the law still prohibits falsifying financial statements. Intent and deception are what matter.

This is similar to Martha Stewart going to prison for lying to investigators, not for insider trading itself.

Trump did engage in conduct that is legally defined as fraud, therefore, not lawfare.

Quote:

The US "justice" system has long been somewhat anomalous among Common Law countries. But its capacity to rain down total ruination was at least fairly capricious: You were chugging along, everything ticketty-boo, and then the feds show up; could happen to anyone. But these last three years the courts have been purposely weaponised against one-half of the country's political preference. Latest wrinkle from the corrupt Judge Engoron:

Judge rejects Trump's request for delay in enforcement of civil fraud penalties

In other words, pay that $355 million now or we're taking Trump Tower:

Letitia James says she's prepared to seize Trump's buildings if he can't pay his $354M civil fraud fine

Do the crme, do the time.

Quote:

I see the US media are, characteristically, in lockstep in characterising this as a "civil fraud" case - as if it's Smith vs Jones. There is no Smith - "no victims", as Newt puts it. It's the Ruling Party vs its Political Opposition - as the press well knows. Saying "civil" every five minutes is intended to obscure that.

The law is clear. You might not like the outcome and who was found guilty, but he committed fraud and the law caught up with him.

That's not Lawfare.

Quote:

With lawfare, the process IS the punishment.

It's still not an example of Lawfare. Trump did the crime.

A civil case is NOT a criminal case, stupid little "intellectual.

Lawfare against Trump and the Republicans was started under/by Bazza O'Bama and accelerated rapidly in his third term.

Lol

It's still a legal case, numpty.

And it's not lawfare - just a rapist and a fraudster being held accountable for his crimes and unlawful acts.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #144 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 3:12pm

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 3:04pm:

DOJ could not even find an experienced prosecutor to take the case it is so weak.

The prosecutor who did take it is being reamed by the judge every ten minutes on basic points of law.

This is an easy acquittal for the defense, a first-year law student could pull this one off.

The totally unqualified prosecutor actually had to get a first-year law student to show her how to fill out the paperwork and present the case.

She has literally never done anything like this before.

She'll be ripped apart in court - like so many of Trump's lawyers before her - and will probably lose her license to practice law if she continues with this frivolous lawsuit.

These idiots just never learn.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #145 - Oct 15^th, 2025 at 9:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 3:04pm:

DOJ could not even find an experienced prosecutor to take the case it is so weak.

The prosecutor who did take it is being reamed by the judge every ten minutes on basic points of law.

This is an easy acquittal for the defense, a first-year law student could pull this one off.

The totally unqualified prosecutor actually had to get a first-year law student to show her how to fill out the paperwork and present the case.

She has literally never done anything like this before.

She'll be ripped apart in court - like so many of Trump's lawyers before her - and will probably lose her license to practice law if she continues with this frivolous lawsuit.

These idiots just never learn.

MAGA = Make Attorneys Get Attorneys

So sad, Greggery. First Rudy, and now this.

Oh, well. At least Lindsey will get paid - when the government's up and running again, anyway.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #146 - Oct 16^th, 2025 at 4:45am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:03pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

It's still not an example of Lawfare. Trump did the crime.

A civil case is NOT a criminal case, stupid little "intellectual.

Lawfare against Trump and the Republicans was started under/by Bazza O'Bama and accelerated rapidly in his third term.

Lol

It's still a legal case, numpty.

And it's not lawfare - just a rapist and a fraudster being held accountable for his crimes and unlawful acts.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a87zDpY_460s.jpg

You are not just a vicious creep but an idiot as well.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #148 - Oct 16^th, 2025 at 5:51am

Frank wrote on Oct 16^th, 2025 at 4:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:03pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

It's still not an example of Lawfare. Trump did the crime.

A civil case is NOT a criminal case, stupid little "intellectual.

Lawfare against Trump and the Republicans was started under/by Bazza O'Bama and accelerated rapidly in his third term.

Lol

It's still a legal case, numpty.

And it's not lawfare - just a rapist and a fraudster being held accountable for his crimes and unlawful acts.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a87zDpY_460s.jpg

You are not just a vicious creep but an idiot as well.

We often have to dumb things down for you Frank,

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Do the crme, do the time.

The point is that Trump committed the act and the consequences caught up to him. It's not Lawfare.

"The Judge did conclude that he engaged in fraudulent conduct, do the time" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

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Re: Comey Indicted
Reply #149 - Oct 16^th, 2025 at 6:02am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 16^th, 2025 at 5:47am:

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2025 at 2:03pm:

A civil case is NOT a criminal case, stupid little "intellectual.

Lawfare against Trump and the Republicans was started under/by Bazza O'Bama and accelerated rapidly in his third term.

So now you want to change the goal posts after having your ass handed to you?

Typical Frank move.

Civil cases are not criminal cases.
That's why there is the distinction.

Letitia James is best known for bringing a civil fraud case against Mr Trump and his family real estate company in 2022.

The case resulted in a $US454.2 million ($692.68 million) penalty against Mr Trump after a judge found he fraudulently overstated his net worth to dupe lenders.

A New York state appeals court in August threw out the penalty, which had grown to more than a half-billion dollars with interest, but upheld the trial judge's finding that Mr Trump was liable for fraud. Both Mr Trump and Ms James's offices are appealing to the state's highest court.
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