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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #60 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:04pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

That's indeed a problem: Sky News are as 'evil' as the Muslim preacher whose prayer house was shut down by the Muslim mayor of a Western Sydney council today.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #61 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:11pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels -
some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water
and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share -
they had showers and toilets,
a nice mattress to sleep on -

while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface.

Hamas didn't build any bomb shelters for civilians they did build underground shelters for themselves.

Good point.

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We have been giving Palestine over $30 million a year of taxpayers money for decades.

Because Oz wanted to support Palestinians living in the largest open air prison in the world ie Gaza and the occupied WB.

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If we didn't recognise Palestine before Albos grovelling who were we giving that money to?

See above.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #62 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels -
some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water
and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share -
they had showers and toilets,
a nice mattress to sleep on -

while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface.

Hamas didn't build any bomb shelters for civilians they did build underground shelters for themselves.

Good point.

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We have been giving Palestine over $30 million a year of taxpayers money for decades.

Because Oz wanted to support Palestinians living in the largest open air prison in the world ie Gaza and the occupied WB.

Hamas said they didn't build bomb shelters for Gazans because the UN should protect them.

It's a myth Gaza was an open air prison gullible idiots like you fall for that slogan hook line and sinker.

Have a look at the videos Gazans are posting of their life in luxury before Oct 7th and what happened to their homes after.

Egypt has a border with Gaza their wall closing Gaza off is far more secure than Israeli wall.

Why do gullible antisemitic idiots like you ignore the fact Egypt has a shoot to kill policy with Gazans trying to enter Egypt?

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After the fall of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian military implemented a strict “shoot-to-kill” policy toward Palestinians attempting to cross their border illegally.

https://x.com/egy_atheist/status/1882412984716394540

Video of Egypt shooting a Gazan dead for trying to cross into Egypt and idiots like you ignore the border between Egypt and Gaza to say Joos bad.

Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948-1967 they know exactly what happens there.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #63 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 7:34pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

**** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #64 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:34pm

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 7:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

**** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #65 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 7:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

**** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

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You are going to post this for another 300 times. This is your new twilight zone/yawn response to everything, cockwomble.

Can I say cockwombke, cockwomble?? Or is that personal kriticism?

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #66 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:43pm

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 7:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

**** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

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Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

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You are going to post this for another 300 times. This is your new twilight zone/yawn response to everything, cockwomble.

Can I say cockwombke, cockwomble?? Or is that personal kriticism?

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Personal criticism

Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #67 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:43pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 7:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

**** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

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Personal criticism

Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

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You are going to post this for another 300 times. This is your new twilight zone/yawn response to everything, cockwomble.

Can I say cockwombke, cockwomble?? Or is that personal kriticism?

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Personal criticism

Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

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Reply #68 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:52pm

It was a classical each way politician bet - recognisig a state that does not exist and has no locality in which it could exist. IF it ever exists somewhere - it will not be where Gazans are now and certainly will not be in Israel - even in Gaza it is too dangerous to Israel on a permanent basis, and nothing but endless trouble.

He was sucking up for the Muslim vote and to the idiots in the streets, getting them onside, while actually giving nothing.

It's wedging - and has no value in the real world.

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Reply #69 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 9:19pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 6:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

yes - Hamas members slept well every night deep underground in tunnels -
some 100 metres deep - they had little kitchens with a sink, running water
and electric stoves and kettles - nice food, the lion's share -
they had showers and toilets,
a nice mattress to sleep on -

while the woman and children were bombed and killed on the surface.

Hamas didn't build any bomb shelters for civilians they did build underground shelters for themselves.

Good point.

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We have been giving Palestine over $30 million a year of taxpayers money for decades.

Because Oz wanted to support Palestinians living in the largest open air prison in the world ie Gaza and the occupied WB.

Hamas said they didn't build bomb shelters for Gazans because the UN should protect them.

They were hoping the UN would protect Gazans?

Idiots - the US has always vetoed UN efforts to create the Palestinian state.

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It's a myth Gaza was an open air prison gullible idiots like you fall for that slogan hook line and sinker.

Your ignorance is deplorable, the Palestinians have been shut out of commerce with the outside world since the '67 war, forced to rely on UNRWA to survive.

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Have a look at the videos Gazans are posting of their life in luxury before Oct 7th and what happened to their homes after.

'Luxury' courtesy of UNRWA

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Egypt has a border with Gaza their wall closing Gaza off is far more secure than Israeli wall.

More nonsense, the Israeli wall is higher; but yes, Egypt didn't/doesn't want Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine through depopulation.

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Why do gullible antisemitic idiots like you ignore the fact Egypt has a shoot to kill policy with Gazans trying to enter Egypt?

See above; and you forgot the IDF's savage, demeaning policing of Palestinians in the WB, as well as the few Palestianians who must daily travel to Israel for work.

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After the fall of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian military implemented a strict “shoot-to-kill” policy toward Palestinians attempting to cross their border illegally.

https://x.com/egy_atheist/status/1882412984716394540

Video of Egypt shooting a Gazan dead for trying to cross into Egypt

Any idea why, asks the guy who posted the video on 'X'?

Ofourse blinkered RW ideologues like you don't need to ask questions.

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and idiots like you ignore the border between Egypt and Gaza to say Joos bad.

The Israel border is higher, and protected by a nuclear power...

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Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948-1967 they know exactly what happens there.

Yes; at that time when Egypt was at war with Israel, still attempting to defend Palestine, before they signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #70 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 9:32pm

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 7:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Gaza wouldn't be a rubble if they hadn't attacked Israel on 7 October, 2023, or even if they had released the hostages Christmas that year.

But the Gazans kept the hostages, kept up the fighting, from schools, hospitals, residential building. There are no military sites in Gaza, only terrorist sites in civilian buildings. There is no distinction, the terrorists are the civilians, (including UN workers). They kept it up for 2 years
Why? To buy international sympathy with their ruthless sacrifice of the lives of their own families, their wives, children, parents.
Truly evil.

Rubbish ! The first ceasefire agreement back in March, with Hamas releasing the hostages in an orderly manner, was thwarted when Netanyahu decided to continue on with his murderous campaign so that he could stay out of jail. Don't you remember, or were you too busy listening to sky news ??

**** your 'orderly manner', terrorist scum. You are not dictating term, you bastards, after what you have done.

Frank your cortex brain is being being disabled by your reptilian brain (google 'neanderthal instincts'' for details).

The Israelis have demanded peace on their terms since the '67 war when the UN last adopted a resolution to achieve peace (UN res 242).

That's why Hamas came into being.

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Reply #71 - Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 9:47pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 8:52pm:

It was a classical each way politician bet - recognisig a state that does not exist and has no locality in which it could exist.

Your error: the state COULD exist, as delineated in UN res 181, if the US stopped wielding its veto and decided it should exist.

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IF it ever exists somewhere - it will not be where Gazans are now and certainly will not be in Israel - even in Gaza it is too dangerous to Israel on a permanent basis, and nothing but endless trouble.

If Trump had some morality he could implement UN res 181, beginning tomorrow.

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He was sucking up for the Muslim vote and to the idiots in the streets, getting them onside, while actually giving nothing.

I already told you, the 100 to one kill rate in Palestine is increasing ugly passions on all sides, all around the world - very dangerous in multi-religious communities.

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It's wedging - and has no value in the real world.

It's not wedging - that's what Ley is doing; Albo is attempting to stop a tinderbox from exploding.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 15638 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #73 - Dec 24^th, 2025 at 10:27am Jasin wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 11:37pm: Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders.
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Reply #74 - Dec 24^th, 2025 at 10:31am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24^th, 2025 at 10:27am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 11:37pm:

Albo is stopping progress especially when he and the Left will be held accountable

Latest Redbridge poll show Ley's numbers falling - the public don't like her politicizing the Bondi murders.

And so they shouldn't.

However, Frydenberg, Joyce, and Hanson have been far worse.

Anyway, everybody knew that Ley would never last long enough to face an election.

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