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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #15 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:32pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:21pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:17pm:

That's what the topic of this thread is Meister. Can you simply not stop yourself talking about scheming Jews? Or do you think it is somehow relevant?

Unfortunately for you, you debate with the bad faith of a teenage girl.

Are you scared to say why you think your blathering about scheming Jews is relevant, in case I say something in "bad faith"?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121904 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #16 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:36pm Australian recognition of Palestinian state? It won't make any difference - Bibi said today that he wouldn't allow it.
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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #17 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:41pm

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:39pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:20pm:

I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.

The problem is Hamas refusing to give up power. Abbas has little to no power over Gaza.

Yes. The Israelis have been pretty slack. They should all be long given up by now.

But that is not the ultimate problem. The people of Gaza still support Hamas. So whoever replaced Hamas would just be another version of the same thing. No-one with an interest in building a functioning state wants to, and is capable of, ruling the Palestinian people. If such a group did exist they would have been handed the keys long ago.

I don't believe they do. Hamas rules Gaza with an iron fist. They execute anyone who they even suspect of not abiding by their ways. They steal aid supplies meant for ordinary Gaza citizens and use innocent people of Gaza as human shields by placing weapons caches and safe houses under hospitals and schools and apartment buildings in the hopes that they will not be struck by the IDF. I don't believe the people of Gaza want to live under Hamas rule. I think they are just so fed up with the death and violence that they just want to live in peace. But that is at odds with Hamas' primary aim - the destruction of Israel. As long as Hamas has its weapons and power there will be no peace and ordinary Gaza civilians will continue to die and starve and suffer.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #18 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:45pm

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:21pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:17pm:

That's what the topic of this thread is Meister. Can you simply not stop yourself talking about scheming Jews? Or do you think it is somehow relevant?

Unfortunately for you, you debate with the bad faith of a teenage girl.

Are you scared to say why you think your blathering about scheming Jews is relevant, in case I say something in "bad faith"?

QED.

You're up that tree again... Jibberish as always.

You should partner up with an organ grinder.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60389 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #19 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25pm Might as well recognise the Islamic State and Al Qaeda and the Islamic Ummah.
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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #20 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:29pm

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:20pm:

I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.

They are not interested in creating a functioning state. Too much hard, boring work and admin.
Jihad and Intifada, glorious suicide bombings for the heavenly whorehouse is all they are interested in.

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LNP never again Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2039 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #21 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:49pm 150 other countries think the same thing
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20831 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #22 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:55pm We have given over $130 million of Taxpayers money to Palestine since Hamas started this war by breaking previous ceasefire. If we don't recognise Palestine who have we been giving our taxpayers money to? Gaza held a free election nearly 2 decades ago everyone knew they governed Gaza.
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LNP never again Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2039 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #23 - Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 12:00am Eden Alexander who was last hostage in Gaza was released recently fyi
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20831 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #24 - Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 1:36am LNP never again wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 12:00am: Eden Alexander who was last hostage in Gaza was released recently fyi There are still 48 hostages held by Hamas in Gaza ya dopey dim wit. Why is Albo rewarding Hamas for holding people hostage?
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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #25 - Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 6:14am

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:55pm:

We have given over $130 million of Taxpayers money to Palestine since Hamas started this war by breaking previous ceasefire.

If we don't recognise Palestine who have we been giving our taxpayers money to?

Gaza held a free election nearly 2 decades ago everyone knew they governed Gaza.

It was not a free election. Even the U.N. says so - Hamas corrupted the election in their favour.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #26 - Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 6:50am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 6:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:55pm:

We have given over $130 million of Taxpayers money to Palestine since Hamas started this war by breaking previous ceasefire.

If we don't recognise Palestine who have we been giving our taxpayers money to?

Gaza held a free election nearly 2 decades ago everyone knew they governed Gaza.

It was not a free election. Even the U.N. says so - Hamas corrupted the election in their favour.

So Palestinians were given the opportunity for self-determination too soon.
They were not ready then, they are not ready now.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #27 - Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 8:22am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:41pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:39pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:20pm:

I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.

The problem is Hamas refusing to give up power. Abbas has little to no power over Gaza.

Yes. The Israelis have been pretty slack. They should all be long given up by now.

But that is not the ultimate problem. The people of Gaza still support Hamas. So whoever replaced Hamas would just be another version of the same thing. No-one with an interest in building a functioning state wants to, and is capable of, ruling the Palestinian people. If such a group did exist they would have been handed the keys long ago.

I don't believe they do. Hamas rules Gaza with an iron fist. They execute anyone who they even suspect of not abiding by their ways. They steal aid supplies meant for ordinary Gaza citizens and use innocent people of Gaza as human shields by placing weapons caches and safe houses under hospitals and schools and apartment buildings in the hopes that they will not be struck by the IDF. I don't believe the people of Gaza want to live under Hamas rule. I think they are just so fed up with the death and violence that they just want to live in peace. But that is at odds with Hamas' primary aim - the destruction of Israel. As long as Hamas has its weapons and power there will be no peace and ordinary Gaza civilians will continue to die and starve and suffer.

Hamas were elected, because Fatah was seeking peace with Israel and the establishment of a conventional (ie, functioning) state. Hamas wanted war. The people of Gaza wanted war. Every opinion poll taken since clearly shows that the people of Gaza still support Hamas and still support war with Israel. Maybe it has changed as a result of the current war. I doubt it. When they say they welcome death, they mean it.

With the exception of the constant stream of racist, Jew-hating propaganda (which Meister cannot help flood every thread with), Hamas is not running a propaganda campaign as most tyrannical regimes would. They have a religious imperative. They are on a mission from God, and they want the residents of Gaza to know what they are up to, which they do, and they welcome it. There is no confusion or ignorance in Gaza as to what living under Hamas means - more war.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #28 - Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 8:35am

freediver wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 8:22am:

With the exception of the constant stream of racist, Jew-hating propaganda (which Meister cannot help flood every thread with)

See, this is why you're like a masturbating shunned monkey in a tree, spewing jibberish.

My reference to Jew-hate calls it out, not propagates it.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #29 - Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 9:05am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2025 at 6:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:55pm:

We have given over $130 million of Taxpayers money to Palestine since Hamas started this war by breaking previous ceasefire.

If we don't recognise Palestine who have we been giving our taxpayers money to?

Gaza held a free election nearly 2 decades ago everyone knew they governed Gaza.

It was not a free election. Even the U.N. says so - Hamas corrupted the election in their favour.

As hamas says

" we will always defeat the Jews because they love life and we love death".

And it's true.

They vibe with it.
They love their suffering.
The Palestinians are the gold medallists at the victim Olympics.
It defines them
It's in their DNA

It's their culture.
Their emotional set point.

Seriously go and listen to Sam Harris ( a very honest intellectual) and some of the recordings of hamas fighters to their parents as they massacred Jews women and children.

The joy in the parents voices
The pride that their son was martyring himself.
The bonding over death and suffering.

They are a cancer and a death cult which must be rooted out.

Surgeon Netanyahu can't just chip away at this cancer.

Every node. Every cell must be purged from the body.
Gaza must be subjected to radiotherapy, chemotherapy. The scalpel. Cold hard steel.

Till everything is cleansed of this abhorrent cell lineage.

Only then can healing occur.

Carry on noble Jewish medical team.
Save the patient from this evil cancer

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