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Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 12:52pm

I fully support Palestine becoming a sovereign state of its own and for the Palestinian people to determine their own fate and to govern themselves without outside influence. But not now - not yet, at least. Not until every hostage taken by Hamas terrorists is released. Not until Hamas is disbanded and disarmed. There can be no rewards for Hamas, and that's what Albanese's misguided, symbolic recognition does. Nothing more. It is a colossal foreign policy failure by the Albanese government and brings shame to Australia as a whole.

Having said that, I disagree with the ongoing action by Israel. They can't keep going until Gaza is just rubble. I agree they have been pushed way too many times by Hamas and the attack by Hamas on Israel that killed 1200 and saw over 100 hostages taken was just wrong in no uncertain terms. But I do think Israel is going way too far now.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #1 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:20pm I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.
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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #2 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:39pm

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:20pm:

I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.

The problem is Hamas refusing to give up power. Abbas has little to no power over Gaza.

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Reply #3 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:57pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:39pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 1:20pm:

I agree. It's about time the Palestinians got their poo together and formed a functioning state. No point "recognising" a nation that does not exist, other than as a hole in the map. It took the Israelis a few weeks. Not sure why the Palestinians need a few generations.

The problem is Hamas refusing to give up power. Abbas has little to no power over Gaza.

Yes. The Israelis have been pretty slack. They should all be long given up by now.

But that is not the ultimate problem. The people of Gaza still support Hamas. So whoever replaced Hamas would just be another version of the same thing. No-one with an interest in building a functioning state wants to, and is capable of, ruling the Palestinian people. If such a group did exist they would have been handed the keys long ago.

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #4 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:15pm

Israel has no interest in confirming its own borders, nevermind those of a Palestinian state, as the original mission of Israel's establishment is not yet complete, being: the establishment of Israel across the entirety of the ancient Jewish regions.

Parts of those regions, many occupied by Israel, but not already incorporated into the Israeli state (a state which includes East Jerusalem, which, under international law, Israel illegally annexed) are claimed as Palestinian territory by Palestinians and the UN.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #5 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:45pm Are you offering us an excuse for why the Palestinians still have not established a functioning state, after several generations of a power vacuum? Do you think they are waiting on the paperwork from Israel?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21498 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #6 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:51pm Will the Palestinians, living in Israel, move to Palestine?
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29709 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #7 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 4:19pm lee wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:51pm: Will the Palestinians, living in Israel, move to Palestine? Shouldn’t they be free to decide?
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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #8 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 4:20pm

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:45pm:

Are you offering us an excuse for why the Palestinians still have not established a functioning state, after several generations of a power vacuum? Do you think they are waiting on the paperwork from Israel?

Paperwork that would never arrive anyway.

Israel intends to complete its mission regardless of Palestinian readiness, the offer of peace treaties with all the Arab states, or international pressure... if it had already completed its state mission, it would have already confirmed its borders regardless of Palestinian unreadiness, continued non-recognition from the holdout Arab states or international pressure.

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Reply #9 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 4:51pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 4:20pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:45pm:

Are you offering us an excuse for why the Palestinians still have not established a functioning state, after several generations of a power vacuum? Do you think they are waiting on the paperwork from Israel?

Paperwork that would never arrive anyway.

Israel intends to complete its mission regardless of Palestinian readiness, the offer of peace treaties with all the Arab states, or international pressure... if it had already completed its state mission, it would have already confirmed its borders regardless of Palestinian unreadiness, continued non-recognition from the holdout Arab states or international pressure.

How long do you think those cunning Jews will wait until they do what you say they have been planning all along?

And do you think this has anything at all to do with the inability of the Palestinians to form a functioning state? Do you think they are in on the plan? Or do you just like talking about scheming Jews?

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Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state
Reply #10 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:00pm

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 4:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 4:20pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 3:45pm:

Are you offering us an excuse for why the Palestinians still have not established a functioning state, after several generations of a power vacuum? Do you think they are waiting on the paperwork from Israel?

Paperwork that would never arrive anyway.

Israel intends to complete its mission regardless of Palestinian readiness, the offer of peace treaties with all the Arab states, or international pressure... if it had already completed its state mission, it would have already confirmed its borders regardless of Palestinian unreadiness, continued non-recognition from the holdout Arab states or international pressure.

How long do you think those cunning Jews will wait until they do what you say they have been planning all along?

And do you think this has anything at all to do with the inability of the Palestinians to form a functioning state? Do you think they are in on the plan? Or do you just like talking about scheming Jews?

Jews have waited 2000 years for this opportunity... they've gone 80 years without confirming or declaring Israel's border, while bacon-slicing unincorporated territories over time, occasionally strategically withdrawing from land they don't intend to annex, while infiltrating others with settlers...

In the last 40 years, Israel has annexed East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights...

The West Bank (known to Israelis as Judea and Samaria) will be next.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #11 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:11pm Do you think this has anything at all to do with the inability of the Palestinians to form a functioning state? Do you think they are in on the plan? Or do you just like talking about scheming Jews?
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #12 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:14pm freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:11pm: Do you think this has anything at all to do with the inability of the Palestinians to form a functioning state? Do you think they are in on the plan? Or do you just like talking about scheming Jews? More jibberish from the monkey.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #13 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:17pm That's what the topic of this thread is Meister. Can you simply not stop yourself talking about scheming Jews? Or do you think it is somehow relevant?
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Australian recognition of Palestinian state Reply #14 - Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:21pm freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:17pm: That's what the topic of this thread is Meister. Can you simply not stop yourself talking about scheming Jews? Or do you think it is somehow relevant? Unfortunately for you, you debate with the bad faith of a teenage girl.
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