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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #45 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 5:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:01am:

So, Trump (the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon) tells Netanyahu to stop bombing and what does he do?

He keeps bombing and kills some more children.

Putin and Netanyahu are totally ignoring Trump.

They have no obligation to do so - how about you think a little deeper... Trump just came out and gave Hamas an ultimatum over the release of hostages.... at the same time Novosti said that Beni had agreed to participate in peace talks and has held off Gaza at a standstill line... but time is on the clock... lo the bird is on the wing...

You're off beam thinking trump won't support Israel...

The real death toll of Hamas and supporters and assistants is less than 50,000 - far less..

Al Jeeratuswillya says - " Israel's war on Gaza has killed at least 67,074 people and wounded 169,430 since October 2023. Thousands more are believed to be buried under ..." Well - it's Hamas' war on Israel, and the total figures include the vast majority of those who supported and applauded Hamas' vile invasion..... and of course propaganda Rules says think of a number and multiply it by .. whatever...probably more like 16-20,000 including mostly Hamas 'fighters'... the New Martyrs...

72 virgins - let's go get these boys laid for a change....

........ I always thought Al Jazeera was a nightclub in Beirut... with a great jazz band..... if you believe in Lou Armstrong, then life is just a one night stand... if there's a jazz playing heaven, they'd have to have a hell of a band....

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #46 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 6:37pm

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Signing the deal means nothing. Just return the hostages. Problem solved. The "deal" is just another distraction. Hamas could spend years whining about the details.

Returning the hostages means nothing to the illegal settler colony. They indiscriminately bomb buildings in Gaza without knowing what is in or under them, which means they couldn't give a flying fick if any of the hostages were in those buildings. Sad

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #47 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 6:40pm

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Returning the hostages means nothing to the illegal settler colony. They indiscriminately bomb buildings in Gaza without knowing what is in or under them, which means they couldn't give a flying fick if any of the hostages were in those buildings.

That's what happens in war Nail. If Hamas has a problem with the reality of war, they should not start them at every opportunity, then use residential areas as their military bases.

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #48 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 6:44pm

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 6:40pm:

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Returning the hostages means nothing to the illegal settler colony. They indiscriminately bomb buildings in Gaza without knowing what is in or under them, which means they couldn't give a flying fick if any of the hostages were in those buildings.

That's what happens in war Nail. If Hamas has a problem with the reality of war, they should not start them at every opportunity, then use residential areas as their military bases.

They never started it !

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30659 Gender:	Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ?? Reply #50 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:07pm freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 6:53pm: Quote: They never started it ! They invaded Israel and took hostages Nail. Do try to keep up. You don't read too well. It started over 77 years ago ! And Israel is an illegal settler colony
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 113212 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ?? Reply #51 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:09pm Dear sir brave Nail, they have been murdering each other in Israel for 3,000 years - it's not news.
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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #52 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:12pm

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It started over 77 years ago !

No it didn't. That is no less idiotic than kicking off WWII again because you didn't like how the situation was left at half time.

The current war clearly and unambiguously started because Hamas invaded Israel and took hostages. Anything else is spineless apologetics for a terrorist organisation. That's why even Muslim countries are saying it is Hamas' fault.

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #53 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:45pm

... Beirut................. I'm only in Beirut........ baclava ........ the sound of Lebanese jazz flows through the streets from various night spots..... but I was looking for one special spot....... Al Jazeera... the Lebanese era of jazz .....and the name of a speak-easy run by my contact...... on a quiet night you could hear the thunder of gunfire in Syria.. if you listened carefully you could almost hear the screams of the women and children left fatherless because the Islamists there executed the fathers as 'helpers of Israel' for asking for permission to move their families away from the endless fighting............. that kind of thing could flood over into here at any time...... so I was glad I had back-up .... the knd you wouldn't even see unless something went Arabic on me..... "The black hawk is down', I whispered into my ear mike.....my handler chuckled... she said... "Are you sure you really want to use that?" "Sure", I whispered back..... "sounds appropriate..."...

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #54 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:53pm

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:12pm:

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It started over 77 years ago !

No it didn't. That is no less idiotic than kicking off WWII again because you didn't like how the situation was left at half time.

The current war clearly and unambiguously started because Hamas invaded Israel and took hostages. Anything else is spineless apologetics for a terrorist organisation. That's why even Muslim countries are saying it is Hamas' fault.

According to International law, Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against an illegal occupier, so no, they didn't start any war.

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #55 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:57pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:45pm:

... Beirut................. I'm only in Beirut........ baclava ........ the sound of Lebanese jazz flows through the streets from various night spots..... but I was looking for one special spot....... Al Jazeera... the Lebanese era of jazz .....and the name of a speak-easy run by my contact...... on a quiet night you could hear the thunder of gunfire in Syria.. if you listened carefully you could almost hear the screams of the women and children left fatherless because the Islamists there executed the fathers as 'helpers of Israel' for asking for permission to move their families away from the endless fighting............. that kind of thing could flood over into here at any time...... so I was glad I had back-up ....

Stop using move.

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #56 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:58pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 5:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:01am:

So, Trump (the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon) tells Netanyahu to stop bombing and what does he do?

He keeps bombing and kills some more children.

Putin and Netanyahu are totally ignoring Trump.

They have no obligation to do so - ...

Exactly!

So why do Trump and his cult members think they do?

Trump is nothing. A nobody.

Why would Putin or Netanyahu give him the time of day?

Trump is a sycophantic coward beholden to Putin and Netanyahu.

They laugh at him behind his back.

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #57 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 8:02pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:12pm:

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It started over 77 years ago !

No it didn't. That is no less idiotic than kicking off WWII again because you didn't like how the situation was left at half time.

The current war clearly and unambiguously started because Hamas invaded Israel and took hostages. Anything else is spineless apologetics for a terrorist organisation. That's why even Muslim countries are saying it is Hamas' fault.

According to International law, Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against an illegal occupier, so no, they didn't start any war.

Hamas were clearly and unambiguously in contravention of international law when they invaded Israel and took hostages. No-one with an ounce of credibility is claiming otherwise. That's why even Muslim countries are now blaming Hamas. Anything else is spineless apologetics for a terrorist organisation.

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #58 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 8:05pm

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 8:02pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 7:12pm:

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It started over 77 years ago !

No it didn't. That is no less idiotic than kicking off WWII again because you didn't like how the situation was left at half time.

The current war clearly and unambiguously started because Hamas invaded Israel and took hostages. Anything else is spineless apologetics for a terrorist organisation. That's why even Muslim countries are saying it is Hamas' fault.

According to International law, Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against an illegal occupier, so no, they didn't start any war.

Hamas were clearly and unambiguously in contravention of international law when they invaded Israel and took hostages. No-one with an ounce of credibility is claiming otherwise.

Correct.

And now Netanyahu is committing genocide.

No-one with an ounce of credibility is claiming otherwise.

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Re: The real death toll in Gaza closer to 680,000 ??
Reply #59 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 8:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 8:05pm:

Correct.

And now Netanyahu is committing genocide.

No-one with an ounce of credibility is claiming otherwise.

Israel has no strategic depth -
from any border:
Lebanon, Syria, Jordan & Egypt -

it's only a one hour drive in a tank to Tel Aviv.
How long can they really last?

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