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Re: Israel IS committing genocide in Gaza
Reply #30 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:25am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 8:26am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 9:48pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 9:43pm:
Something that made this war tragically inevitable is Israel's determination to send a message to all hostile states: if you attack us, we will not reciprocate with proportionality; we will end you.



Good chaps.
They have read and understood  THE ART OF WAR

The price Israelis will pay for this is that for all time they will be seen as the killers their German former persecutors are.



I think sun tzu would not understand your point
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Reply #31 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:33am
 

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, major United Nations report finds

Israel has committed and is continuing to commit genocide in Gaza, according to the "most authoritative assessment" to date.

A United Nations Commission of Inquiry (CoI), established by the UN Human Rights Council, concluded that Israeli authorities "intended to kill as many Palestinians as possible" and have committed the crime against humanity of extermination.

The report cites direct targeting of civilians, including children, and mass killings in "far larger numbers compared to previous conflicts".

It also found Israel deliberately inflicted life-threatening conditions by blocking food, water and medicine — actions "calculated" to bring about the "destruction of Palestinians".
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Reply #32 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:56am
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:25am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 8:26am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 9:48pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 9:43pm:
Something that made this war tragically inevitable is Israel's determination to send a message to all hostile states: if you attack us, we will not reciprocate with proportionality; we will end you.



Good chaps.
They have read and understood  THE ART OF WAR

The price Israelis will pay for this is that for all time they will be seen as the killers their German former persecutors are.



I think sun tzu would not understand your point

Well... Sun Tzu lived under God-Emperors whose word was fact and law, and there was no social media, so...
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Re: Israel IS committing genocide in Gaza
Reply #33 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 12:39pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:33am:
Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, major United Nations report finds

Israel has committed and is continuing to commit genocide in Gaza, according to the "most authoritative assessment" to date.

A United Nations Commission of Inquiry (CoI), established by the UN Human Rights Council, concluded that Israeli authorities "intended to kill as many Palestinians as possible" and have committed the crime against humanity of extermination.

The report cites direct targeting of civilians, including children, and mass killings in "far larger numbers compared to previous conflicts".

It also found Israel deliberately inflicted life-threatening conditions by blocking food, water and medicine — actions "calculated" to bring about the "destruction of Palestinians".




What the f is the " United nations"
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Re: Israel IS committing genocide in Gaza
Reply #34 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 12:41pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:56am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:25am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 8:26am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 9:48pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 9:43pm:
Something that made this war tragically inevitable is Israel's determination to send a message to all hostile states: if you attack us, we will not reciprocate with proportionality; we will end you.



Good chaps.
They have read and understood  THE ART OF WAR

The price Israelis will pay for this is that for all time they will be seen as the killers their German former persecutors are.



I think sun tzu would not understand your point

Well... Sun Tzu lived under God-Emperors whose word was fact and law, and there was no social media, so...




Israel should control social media as much as possible, flood the zone with news, real or fake.

Sun Tzu would be proud
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Reply #35 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 12:43pm
 
Great question — Sun Tzu didn’t use the modern phrase “controlling information,” but much of The Art of War is really about exactly that: shaping what the enemy knows, sees, and believes. He treats information as a weapon. Here are key ideas:

1. Deception as Information Control

“All warfare is based on deception.”
By giving the enemy false signals (feigned retreats, exaggerated strength, hidden weaknesses), you control the “data” they act on.


2. Concealing Your True State

“Appear at points which the enemy must hasten to defend; march swiftly to places where you are not expected.”

“Be subtle! Be subtle! And use your spies for every kind of business.”
This is about restricting what the enemy can accurately observe.


3. The Use of Spies (directly about intelligence and counter-intelligence)

Sun Tzu devotes an entire chapter (“The Use of Spies”) to controlling information:

“What enables the wise sovereign and the good general to strike and conquer, and achieve things beyond the reach of ordinary men, is foreknowledge.”

“Hence it is that which none in the army are more intimate with the commander than the spies; none are more richly rewarded; in no other business should greater secrecy be preserved.”
This is essentially about both gathering accurate intelligence and ensuring secrecy to prevent leaks.


4. Manipulating Morale with Information

“When the enemy is united, divide him.”
Propaganda, rumor, or misinformation could fracture alliances or morale.


5. Timing and Secrecy

“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
The fewer people who know your true intentions, the harder it is for the enemy to anticipate them.


So, Sun Tzu’s model of controlling information has two sides:

Denying true information (secrecy, misdirection).

Feeding false information (deception, spies, rumors).


Would you like me to make you a collected list of every passage in The Art of War that deals with secrecy, spying, and misinformation so you have it all in one place?

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Re: Israel IS committing genocide in Gaza
Reply #36 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 12:46pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 12:41pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:56am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 11:25am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 8:26am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 9:48pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 9:43pm:
Something that made this war tragically inevitable is Israel's determination to send a message to all hostile states: if you attack us, we will not reciprocate with proportionality; we will end you.



Good chaps.
They have read and understood  THE ART OF WAR

The price Israelis will pay for this is that for all time they will be seen as the killers their German former persecutors are.



I think sun tzu would not understand your point

Well... Sun Tzu lived under God-Emperors whose word was fact and law, and there was no social media, so...




Israel should control social media as much as possible, flood the zone with news, real or fake.

Sun Tzu would be proud

Israel has found to its horror that not even the Mossad can control social media, and even the fact that you'd try is an automatic admission of guilt.

Sun Tzu would just check what the Emperor told him was fact and law and work off that.
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Reply #37 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 12:48pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 12:43pm:
Great question — Sun Tzu didn’t use the modern phrase “controlling information,” but much of The Art of War is really about exactly that: shaping what the enemy knows, sees, and believes. He treats information as a weapon.

Sun Tzu is to modern war what Plato is to modern philosophy.
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Re: Israel IS committing genocide in Gaza
Reply #38 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 1:47pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 7:10pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 7:04pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 6:54pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 3:39pm:
On the most obvious point: "killing members of the group" the report says:

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the Commission analysed the scale of the killings and concluded that the killings of Palestinian civilians were conducted in a large-scale manner over a significant period of time and widespread geographical area


Sounds to me like they decided that genocide is the "only possible explanation" by failing to consider other, rather obvious, explanations.

Or more simply, they reached their conclusions in a circular fashion by simply "concluding" them.


Typical. Muslims will be always be in the wrong, no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented to you. You have lost all objectivity. Debating anything with you Soren and most of the other is a waste of time. In 10 years, have you managed to change a mind? Have you changed yours on a single issue?


Is it "always wrong" to be ideologically committed to slaughtering Jews?

Do you have anything to say on the actual topic?


I'm disgusted its taken this long for this barbaric slaughter to be recognised as a genocide. 


I am afraid the UN is using the same logic as you. Flap your arms int the air like you really mean it, and it's not just because they are Jews.
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Re: Israel IS committing genocide in Gaza
Reply #39 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 2:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 1:47pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 7:10pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 7:04pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 6:54pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2025 at 3:39pm:
On the most obvious point: "killing members of the group" the report says:

Quote:
the Commission analysed the scale of the killings and concluded that the killings of Palestinian civilians were conducted in a large-scale manner over a significant period of time and widespread geographical area


Sounds to me like they decided that genocide is the "only possible explanation" by failing to consider other, rather obvious, explanations.

Or more simply, they reached their conclusions in a circular fashion by simply "concluding" them.


Typical. Muslims will be always be in the wrong, no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented to you. You have lost all objectivity. Debating anything with you Soren and most of the other is a waste of time. In 10 years, have you managed to change a mind? Have you changed yours on a single issue?


Is it "always wrong" to be ideologically committed to slaughtering Jews?

Do you have anything to say on the actual topic?


I'm disgusted its taken this long for this barbaric slaughter to be recognised as a genocide. 


I am afraid the UN is using the same logic as you. Flap your arms int the air like you really mean it, and it's not just because they are Jews.


No, it's because they are deliberate child killers.

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Reply #40 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 3:18pm
 
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No, it's because they are deliberate child killers.


What makes you think that?
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Reply #41 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 6:06pm
 
Israelis, particularly young Israeli men, generally have little sympathy for young Palestinians, claiming they'll grow up to become terrorists anyway.
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Reply #42 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 7:26pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 6:06pm:
Israelis, particularly young Israeli men, generally have little sympathy for young Palestinians, claiming they'll grow up to become terrorists anyway.



Do many of them grow up to be rabbi's ?
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Reply #43 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 7:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 3:18pm:
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No, it's because they are deliberate child killers.


What makes you think that?


Probably has something to do with when they deliberately kill children.

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Reply #44 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 7:40pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 7:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 6:06pm:
Israelis, particularly young Israeli men, generally have little sympathy for young Palestinians, claiming they'll grow up to become terrorists anyway.



Do many of them grow up to be rabbi's ?

The Israelis?
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