International law only requires recognition of states as facts, not rights.

The 'right to exist' concocters, such as Kissinger, have attempted to impose that recognition of Israel on Arab states, who insist they could acknowledge Israel de facto, but granting a 'right' implies moral endorsement of the 1948 expulsions and loss of Palestinian claims.

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2025 at 3:11pm:

The creation of Belgium in 1830–31 did not involve mass expulsions of populations or any ethnic cleansing event, unlike the creation of Israel/Palestine in 1948.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16^th, 2025 at 3:10pm:


No it doesn't, and more than acknowledging Ukraine's right to exist implies some kind of moral endorsement of its creation. Or any other state for that matter. All states are essentially accidents of history, most of them morally questionable and drenched in blood. You are completely missing the point of why people talk about a state's right to exist.

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But before you spend pages and pages criticising their use of the term, do you think it might help to understand what they mean and why they use it? Rather than trying to attribute it to some grand Jewish conspiracy?

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Only if you don't mind coming across as a fool who does not know what he is talking about, unless he can find it in some kind of legislation.

Why was your first instinct to refer to Kurdistan, a state that does not actually exist, in your attempt to denounce the principle?

It is possible to assert Israel's right to exist, while disagreeing with the country's creation on moral grounds. Same with any other country. But to understand that you need to wrap your head around what the term means and why people use it. Your ability to google some people conflating the two issues does not make me wrong, it merely demonstrates your ability to lead yourself up the garden path.

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The same as every other person, except apparently you. That you don't have a right to destroy it. Just like your "right to life" means others do not have a right to kill you. Some people may conflate this with some moral statement about your conception or birth, but that does not mean that your right to life requires that moral belief, any more than supporting a state's right to exist requires moral support for however that state came into existence.

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If you could let go of your Israel fetish for a moment, it would help you to detach the meaning of the term from your hatred of Jews.

Why do you think world leaders are talking about Ukraine's right to exist? Do you think they are making some kind of point about the morality of Ukraine's creation, or something more relevant?

Why was your first instinct to refer to Kurdistan, a state that does not actually exist, in your attempt to denounce the principle?

freediver wrote on Sep 16^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

Which government/state is claiming Ukraine's right to exist?

And, if they feel that way, then it would be morally incumbent on them to declare war on Russia to defend Ukraine's 'right to exist'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16^th, 2025 at 4:05pm:

Which now brings us to the issue of Israel's borders, which, after nearly 80 years of statehood, have not been determined or confirmed by Israel.

And the reason?

Israel intends to complete the mission that the militant Zionists held when they forced the creation of the Israeli state: the establishment of Israel across all of the ancient borders.

Israel intends to annex all lands currently outside its de facto borders, but within the ancient borders, and expel non-Jews living there.

By demanding the Arab states recognise Israel's 'right to exist', Kissinger and others (including the useful idiots of the West) set the groundwork for no possible progress towards a two-state solution.

And yet, there is something that gives comprehensibility to all of this, and that is that every Jew can expect that Europeans would continue their Jew-hate the second they get the chance, were it not for an Israeli state that exists to defend Jews because they are Jews and not despite it... Just as Theodor Herzl foresaw.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 15^th, 2025 at 11:42pm:


They were never offered anything like what the Abos were offered here. Israel is an ethno-supremacist apartheid state. There is no comparison with Australia