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Reply #165 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 12:05pm
 
Because they kicked Palestinians out of the land now called Israel?

Because they are killing Palestinians on the West Bank and stealing their land?
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Reply #166 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 12:08pm
 
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Because they kicked Palestinians out of the land now called Israel?


They were free to stay. About 20% of Israel's current population is local Arab Muslims who decided to stay. They now enjoy more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

The rest were either killed trying to fight the Jews, or left the area because other Muslim countries encouraged them to leave when they were invading, and promised they would receive the Jews' land and property once they had been slaughtered.
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Reply #167 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 12:25pm
 
Sure they were free to stay despite being driven out of their homes. I suppose they were allowed back as well?  Roll Eyes

The West Bank regularly sees killing and dispossession of West Bank Palestinians—they could not stay either!
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Reply #168 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 1:48pm
 
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Sure they were free to stay despite being driven out of their homes.


They were free to stay, and were not driven out of their homes. That's how Israel's current population is 20% Arab Muslim, who now have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

Many left the area because other Muslim countries encouraged them to leave when they were invading, and promised they would receive the Jews' land and property once they had finished slaughtering the Jews, but that hardly counts as being driven from your home.
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Reply #169 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 2:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 12:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 12:02pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 11:18am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 11:11am:
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 10:39am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 10:26am:
The UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947, meaning half the land was to be confiscated. How much of that don't you understand?


So you believe that the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence because the parts of it that are outside of the UN resolution were "confiscated"?


No, on the contrary, your persist with your confusion re the partition and hence confiscation of other peoples' land.

No "parts of Palestine" were "outside the 1947 UN resolution" to partition Palestine.

Do try to argue logically. 


Why do you think the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence?


I note your refusal to defend your illogical argument "the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence because the parts of it that are outside of the UN resolution were "confiscated".

What are the "parts of Palestine" that are outside the UN resolution?


That was not my argument.
 

Your argument was couched in your factually incorrect question: So you believe that the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence because the parts of it that are outside of the UN resolution were "confiscated"?

1. I don't believe that's why the Muslims are upset.

2. You have yet to explain/defend your factual error that parts of Palestine are outside the UN resolution.

Please explain. 

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Why do you think the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence?


You need to explain what you mean by your factually incorrect statement "parts of Palestine are outside the UN resolution".

Then we can proceed past the initial cause of war, ie, the confiscation of Muslim land via a UN resolution.   
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Reply #170 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 2:29pm
 
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Your argument was couched in your factually incorrect question


You are deluded. It was a question. How do you expect people to take your demands on Israel seriously if you cannot answer such a simple question?

Why do you think the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence? I'll give you a hint: the answer does not depend on what I think.
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Reply #171 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 3:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 8:36am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 7th, 2025 at 9:43am:
"Israelis have only one right, to pack up their bags and leave Palestine."


Why did you post that meme Nail? Because you agree with it? Are you a Muslim? Are you afraid to say whether you agree with your own post?


Maybe if you watch Uncle Norman for a couple of hours instead of parroting the twisted Zionist narrative, we might find some common ground.


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Reply #172 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 3:39pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 3:35pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 8:36am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 7th, 2025 at 9:43am:
"Israelis have only one right, to pack up their bags and leave Palestine."


Why did you post that meme Nail? Because you agree with it? Are you a Muslim? Are you afraid to say whether you agree with your own post?


Maybe if you watch Uncle Norman for a couple of hours instead of parroting the twisted Zionist narrative, we might find some common ground.




If I watch that for several hours, will my brain be as fried as yours? What makes you think I want to find common ground with you? Even you are afraid to find common ground with yourself.

Why can't you use your big boy words?

Why did you post that meme Nail? Because you agree with it? Are you a Muslim? Are you afraid to say whether you agree with your own post?
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Reply #173 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 11:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 3:39pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 3:35pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 8:36am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 7th, 2025 at 9:43am:
"Israelis have only one right, to pack up their bags and leave Palestine."


Why did you post that meme Nail? Because you agree with it? Are you a Muslim? Are you afraid to say whether you agree with your own post?


Maybe if you watch Uncle Norman for a couple of hours instead of parroting the twisted Zionist narrative, we might find some common ground.




If I watch that for several hours, will my brain be as fried as yours? What makes you think I want to find common ground with you? Even you are afraid to find common ground with yourself.

Why can't you use your big boy words?

Why did you post that meme Nail? Because you agree with it? Are you a Muslim? Are you afraid to say whether you agree with your own post?


Nobody cares about Irsael's right to exist. The victim card is all maxed out now.
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Reply #174 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 8:05am
 
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Nobody cares about Irsael's right to exist. The victim card is all maxed out now.


I am not worried Israel will cease to exist. I am worried that Palestinians will continue to die pointlessly because of morons deluding each other about why they are dying.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 7th, 2025 at 9:43am:
"Israelis have only one right, to pack up their bags and leave Palestine."


Why did you post that meme Nail? Because you agree with it? Are you a Muslim? Are you afraid to say whether you agree with your own post?
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Reply #175 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 12:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 2:29pm:
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Your argument was couched in your factually incorrect question


You are deluded. It was a question.


Yes - one of your typical  questions containing a factual error, namely:"the parts of Palestine that are outside of the UN resolution"

You could of course explain what you mean by that nonsense, I presume you mean something by it, but you choose not to elucidate.  I will continue to expose you so long as you prefer to obfuscate over the matter.

Listen carefully: no part of Palestine is outside the UN resolution.


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How do you expect people to take your demands on Israel seriously if you cannot answer such a simple question?


As noted above, it's not a simple question for me at least.....and I'm even ready for my lack of understanding to be exposed.  Here's your chance - or stand exposed as an ideological fraud, not a seeker of truth (!).      

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Why do you think the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence? I'll give you a hint: the answer does not depend on what I think.


The UN voted to partition Palestine; the Muslims rejected the authority of the UN to do that, while the Jews lapped it up.  Simple. 
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Reply #176 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 12:49pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
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Why do you think the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence? I'll give you a hint: the answer does not depend on what I think.


The UN voted to partition Palestine; the Muslims rejected the authority of the UN to do that, while the Jews lapped it up.  Simple. 


So you think the Muslims are upset because the UN overstepped its authority?
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Reply #177 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 12:49pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
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Why do you think the Muslims are upset about Israel's existence? I'll give you a hint: the answer does not depend on what I think.


The UN voted to partition Palestine; the Muslims rejected the authority of the UN to do that, while the Jews lapped it up.  Simple. 


So you think the Muslims are upset because the UN overstepped its authority?



The UN Security Council is a graveyard for resolutions,
paralyzed by the perpetual U.S. veto that shields its colonial project.
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Reply #178 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm
 
What colonial project?
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Reply #179 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm:
What colonial project?




The Jewish promised land -

from the Nile to the Euphrates.



The Jews claim all the land from the Euphrates to the Nile.

Evidence:

Jump to 13:28




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