freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 12:35pm:

Again, not an answer.

What criteria do you use to determine that a state has the right to exist?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 1:03pm:

And again, not an answer.

I'm asking what criteria you use to determine that a state has the right to exist?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 1:31pm:

So, if you like my answer, you'll take it as yours, then.

I can take from your responses that you have no idea how to determine that a state has a right to exist other than via partisan fiat, much less why it can be applied to Israel but not to, say, the Basque region.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 2:08pm:

You're answering as a 12-year-old would to a question he knows he cannot answer, without exposing contradictions and uncomfortable implications.

Israel's existence at all is not simple, nor was it a historical inevitability.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

I know you're holding out, as 12-year-olds and adult autistics hold out, so you really do need to ask your therapist if intra-species interaction is right for you.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2025 at 12:35pm:


So claims the uneducable FD, who refuses to answer the question:

What does it mean for a state to have a right to exist?

So let's ask google a relevant question ie: "did the UN have the right to partition Palestine?

Answer:

"The United Nations' right to partition Palestine under General Assembly Resolution 181 is a point of contention, as the UN's Charter does not grant the Security Council power to enforce political settlements, and the partition plan itself was rejected by the Arab leadership and ran counter to the principle of self-determination for Palestinians living there. Britain referred the issue to the UN in 1947, after which the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) recommended the partition of the territory into an Arab state and a Jewish state, with Jerusalem under international control. Although the plan was supported by the Jewish community, leading to the establishment of Israel, the Arab community and states rejected it, resulting in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the displacement of many Palestinians.

Arguments against the UN's "right" to partition:

Violation of Self-Determination:
Critics argue the partition plan violated the fundamental right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, as it was imposed by an external body rather than arising from the will of the population.

Lack of Enforcement Power:
Some international law scholars argue that the UN Charter does not give the UN Security Council the power to enforce a political settlement like partition.


Note: this is my argument all along: the UN can't enforce international law, because states refuse to relinquish the obsolete Westphalian doctrine of 'absolute national sovereignty'. 

Rejection by Arab Parties:
The Arab states and the Palestinian Arab leadership rejected the plan, viewing it as unjust and denying their rights.

Context and Background:

British Mandate:
Palestine was a British Mandate after World War I. Growing tensions between Arab and Jewish communities, exacerbated by Jewish immigration, led Britain to refer the matter to the UN in 1947.

UNSCOP Report:
The UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) investigated the situation and presented two options: a federal state solution or a partition plan. The partition plan, which proposed two independent states and an internationalized Jerusalem, was approved by the majority of UNSCOP.

Resolution 181:
In November 1947, the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 181, which recommended the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states and a special international regime for Jerusalem.

Consequences of the Partition Plan:
1948 War and Displacement:
The plan was accepted by the Jewish community but rejected by the Arab community. This led to immediate violence, a civil war, and eventually the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

Expansion of Territory:
Following the 1948 war, the newly declared State of Israel expanded to control a much larger portion of Palestine than recommended in the partition plan.

Ongoing Palestinian Refugee Crisis:
The war resulted in the displacement of over half a million Palestinians. The issue of Palestinian self-determination and their right to return remains a central point of conflict in the region.

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Well I would have gone for the federal  state solution, ie the 1st of the two options examined by UNSCOP; but that would require a commitment to social cohesion over commitment to ideology - something that is lacking even in the US today where a Conservative guru was murdered.... 


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Asks the blind ideologue....

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2025 at 11:03am:


A good point, bypassing the question of whether the UN had the right to partition Palestine.