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Reply #645 - Yesterday at 5:35pm
 
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 5:33pm:
Frank wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
In the wake of the terrorist bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, President Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes against a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and a chemical weapons plant in Sudan.

In 1993 Clinton bombed Baghdad for an assassination attempt on Bush pere.

Bazza O'Bama authorised the killing of BinLiner.

Pirates on the high seas? Execute.  No trials, no juries, no 'war crimes', no kvetching from TDS mongs. Execute.





Superb post Frank.
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Yeah, accept it's a false equivalency that will only satisfy those who want to believe Trump can do no wrong and aren't open to accepting anything, no matter how factual and provably real to the contrary.

No wonder you like it.
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #646 - Yesterday at 5:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:27pm:
Frank wrote Yesterday at 5:23pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 4:45pm:
Frank wrote Yesterday at 4:30pm:
Under which country's flag were these boats sailing?  Er.... they were sailing unflagged.
Oh?! Meaning?



A ship in international waters is required, under the United Nations Conference of the Law of the Seas (“UNCLOS”) to sail under the flag of a specific nation. If a ship does not, it is legally considered a stateless vessel. A ship in international waters that is not flying a national flag is categorized in international law the same way a pirate is. These ships have absolutely no national or international protections, and no immunity from interference by other states. You cannot commit a war crime against them.

UNCLOS Articles 92, 94, 110, and customary maritime law spell out the consequences clearly:

A flagged ship is an extension of its flag-state’s sovereignty. A stateless vessel is not. This matters because “war crimes” presuppose protected persons or protected property. A stateless vessel is legally unprotected.

Any state may stop, board, search, seize, or disable, a stateless vessel. UNCLOS Article 110 explicitly authorizes boarding and seizure. The law does not require states to risk their own personnel or assets while doing so. Disabling a vessel that refuses inspection, including firing on it, is legally permitted under both UNCLOS and long-established state practice.

War crimes require an armed conflict. You cannot commit a “war crime” outside an armed conflict. War crimes occur only within the context of international humanitarian law. Enforcing maritime law against a stateless vessel is a law enforcement action, not an armed conflict.

Lethal force may be used when a vessel refuses lawful orders. The International Maritime Organization’s “Use of Force” guidance for maritime interdiction recognizes that disabling fire, even lethal force, is lawful when a vessel refuses lawful boarding, attempts to flee, poses a threat, or engages in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking.

Sinking a stateless vessel is not prohibited by UNCLOS. UNCLOS permits seizure of a stateless vessel and leaves the means entirely to the enforcing state so long as necessity and proportionality are respected. If the vessel flees, attacks, or refuses lawful commands, sinking it is legally permissible. Many states routinely do this to drug-smuggling vessels (e.g., semi-submersibles) without it ever being treated as a war crime.

No flag: no jurisdictional shield. The entire reason international law requires ships to fly a flag is to prevent this exact situation. Flagless vessels are legally vulnerable by design.

Because a stateless vessel has no protected status, because UNCLOS authorizes interdiction of such vessels, because lethal force may be used in maritime law enforcement when necessary, and because war crimes require an armed conflict that is not present here, sinking an unflagged ship in international waters is not a war crime.


Lethal force still falls under the various guidelines, conventions and laws that make the second strike they did a war crime.

The fact that nobody would know this happened if Trump wasn't so desperate for a distraction and public praise while at the same time trying to prove he actually cares about stopping drugs in the face of him pardoning the Silk road operator and the foreign president both convicted of very high level drug distribution charges makes this even more ridiculous...

The incompetence as always is off the charts.

As usual, Trump is going for optics over substance and we can now add defending war crimes to the list of horid acts his devoted supporters are forced to do.

As if defending the rape and abuse of children wasn't bad enough, now you're defending war crimes too...


Nonsense, teapot. You are having hot flushes, as usual.

The war crimes angle is bollocks. These were neither uniformed state combatants nor civilians in registere, flagged legal boats. These were drug smugglers ...


There's not even a skerrick of evidence to suggest that's true.

Moreover, even if they were, summarily executing them is illegal.



Nonsense. Criminals are killed every day. You can call it whatever you like.


And here's a little somefin' just for you: nobody needs to prove anything to a despicable, disgusting, slanderous liar and creep.
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #647 - Yesterday at 5:36pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 5:34pm:
Frank wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
In the wake of the terrorist bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, President Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes against a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and a chemical weapons plant in Sudan.

In 1993 Clinton bombed Baghdad for an assassination attempt on Bush pere.

Bazza O'Bama authorised the killing of BinLiner.

Pirates on the high seas? Execute.  No trials, no juries, no 'war crimes', no kvetching from TDS mongs. Execute.


If all they'd done was blow up the boat and move on, not target the survivors with a second strike, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You're trying to shift the goalposts again, as usual, to something you think you can argue because you know deep down, you've got this one wrong.

You are lying, of course.
Don't be a lying pussy.
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #648 - Yesterday at 5:37pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:34pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
The artist known as Prince was killed by a drug laced with Fentanyl.

Does Greggy care?     Undecided


Fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela in boats.

It comes from Mexico in cars, trucks, and buses.



We lost the Prince:


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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #649 - Yesterday at 5:38pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 5:35pm:
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 5:33pm:
Frank wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
In the wake of the terrorist bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, President Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes against a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and a chemical weapons plant in Sudan.

In 1993 Clinton bombed Baghdad for an assassination attempt on Bush pere.

Bazza O'Bama authorised the killing of BinLiner.

Pirates on the high seas? Execute.  No trials, no juries, no 'war crimes', no kvetching from TDS mongs. Execute.





Superb post Frank.
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Yeah, accept it's a false equivalency that will only satisfy those who want to believe Trump can do no wrong and aren't open to accepting anything, no matter how factual and provably real to the contrary.

No wonder you like it.



How is it false?
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #650 - Yesterday at 5:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:34pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
The artist known as Prince was killed by a drug laced with Fentanyl.

Does Greggy care?     Undecided


Fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela in boats.

It comes from Mexico in cars, trucks, and buses.



We lost the Prince:




Indeed.

Very sad.

However, fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela in boats.

It comes from Mexico in cars, trucks, and buses.

Moreover, it passes through legal points of entry and is carried by US citizens.
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #651 - Yesterday at 5:39pm
 
Frank wrote Yesterday at 5:36pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 5:34pm:
Frank wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
In the wake of the terrorist bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, President Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes against a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and a chemical weapons plant in Sudan.

In 1993 Clinton bombed Baghdad for an assassination attempt on Bush pere.

Bazza O'Bama authorised the killing of BinLiner.

Pirates on the high seas? Execute.  No trials, no juries, no 'war crimes', no kvetching from TDS mongs. Execute.


If all they'd done was blow up the boat and move on, not target the survivors with a second strike, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You're trying to shift the goalposts again, as usual, to something you think you can argue because you know deep down, you've got this one wrong.

You are lying, of course.

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Another false accusation.

What did I lie about?

People aren't happy about the use of strikes over interception and an investigation to reveal sources and cut off the supply from there.

But that's not the war crime that everyone is worried about. 

It was the second strike, targeting the survivors in the water that IS a war crime.

You know this, but you're lying when trying to make it seem like the initial strike was the war crime, so you can point to other instances from other Presidents and say "see, all good".

But that's a lie.

It's not all good.
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #652 - Yesterday at 5:41pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 5:35pm:
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 5:33pm:
Frank wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
In the wake of the terrorist bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, President Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes against a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and a chemical weapons plant in Sudan.

In 1993 Clinton bombed Baghdad for an assassination attempt on Bush pere.

Bazza O'Bama authorised the killing of BinLiner.

Pirates on the high seas? Execute.  No trials, no juries, no 'war crimes', no kvetching from TDS mongs. Execute.





Superb post Frank.
👍


Yeah, accept it's a false equivalency that will only satisfy those who want to believe Trump can do no wrong and aren't open to accepting anything, no matter how factual and provably real to the contrary.

No wonder you like it.


I believe, after seeing it all since 2016.
That its not been about Trump doing no wrong.
It's been about you Lefties, the Media (eg: BBC) and your DEMOCRAPS having done far far worse.

You flinched first. Wink
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #653 - Yesterday at 5:42pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:39pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:34pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
The artist known as Prince was killed by a drug laced with Fentanyl.

Does Greggy care?     Undecided


Fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela in boats.

It comes from Mexico in cars, trucks, and buses.



We lost the Prince:




Indeed.

Very sad.

However, fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela in boats.

It comes from Mexico in cars, trucks, and buses.

Moreover, it passes through legal points of entry and is carried by US citizens.



It comes from China and goes to South America, then to Mexico
and then on to the USA.
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #654 - Yesterday at 5:44pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:39pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:34pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:32pm:
The artist known as Prince was killed by a drug laced with Fentanyl.

Does Greggy care?     Undecided


Fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela in boats.

It comes from Mexico in cars, trucks, and buses.



We lost the Prince:




Indeed.

Very sad.

However, fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela in boats.

It comes from Mexico in cars, trucks, and buses.

Moreover, it passes through legal points of entry and is carried by US citizens.


Good reason also why they have SICARIO to blow them up too!

Eat poo igloo boy Grin
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Reply #655 - Yesterday at 5:46pm
 
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered the U.S. military on Sept. 2 to kill all 11 people on a suspected drug-smuggling boat in the Caribbean Sea because they were on an internal list of narco-terrorists who U.S. intelligence and military officials determined could be lethally targeted, the commander overseeing the operation told lawmakers in briefings this past week, according to two U.S. officials and one person familiar with the congressional briefings.

Such a list includes individuals who are eligible for being targeted, including with lethal action, if given the opportunity. The commander who oversaw the Sept. 2 strikes, Adm. Frank “Mitch” Bradley, told lawmakers that U.S. intelligence officials had confirmed the identities of the 11 people on the boat and validated them as legitimate targets, then the military launched airstrikes as part of President Donald Trump’s military campaign against alleged drug-smuggling vessels, the U.S. officials and person familiar with the congressional briefings said.

The detail that the 11 people on the boat were on an internal U.S. military target list has not previously been made public. It adds another dimension to the Sept. 2 operation that has been mired in controversy over the military’s decision to launch a second strike after the first left two survivors in the water.

Lawmakers have raised questions about whether the second strike violated international law. Whether Hegseth directed Bradley, who is the commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, to kill everyone on the boat has been key question in the controversy over the second strike.

An administration official said Bradley made clear in his briefings with lawmakers that he acted in complete compliance with the law throughout the operation. “As with all such actions, a uniformed JAG provided advice and counsel every step of the way,” the official said in a written statement, adding that the boat was targeted because it was “carrying cocaine” and was “affiliated with a cartel designated by the president as a terrorist organization.”

“The cumulative impact of these narcoterrorist shipments directly threaten Americans and the national security interests of the United States,” the official said.

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U.S. intelligence also spotted another larger boat in the area, determining that the damaged boat was supposed to link up with it to transfer the drugs onto the larger vessel.

The larger boat was not on the approved target list Bradley had, so he did not have the authority strike it. He said because the U.S. did not have positive identification of who was on the larger boat, waiting to see if it came to try to salvage the damaged boat and two survivors was not a viable option.

Bradley explained, the three sources said, that his decision to target the boat with the survivors was because the drugs were not destroyed and the individuals on the boat had not surrendered and were not visibly injured but were still on the list of approved targets. And while the survivors were not armed, he said the mission identified the drugs as the threat to the U.S., effectively deeming the cocaine as the weapon that could endanger Americans.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/admiral-told-lawmakers-everyo...



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Reply #657 - Yesterday at 5:50pm
 
Frank's nailing it!

Peccary allowed fentanyl into America to kill the Prince.
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Reply #658 - Yesterday at 5:57pm
 
5 minutes have elapsed.

Gwoggy & Kangrooted have no comebacks.  Cheesy
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Gwoggy & Co have run away like Georgie porgies.
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