thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:


And so you go with the public ignorance.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:


And yet you can't provide evidence of that they are equal, merely your assumptions. And we know about assumptions don't we?

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:


But they don't link them all together. That is your mistake, not mine.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:


That is not what you said.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:


Oh now it is back to Morrison. What about Xi and iron ore imports from BHP? After all Albo is Xi's "handsome boy".

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:


You don't know about how China controls things at all do you?

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:


But, faster and cheaper to build, makes it more economic to build solar and wind in the first place. They have a huge workforce and are unable to do two things at once? Laughable.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:



Is that a 4 times over build or just four times production. They are different you know. And the further north, the worse solar is. And do you think dunkelflaute is only a rest of the world problem?

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:



So referencing your own work? Confirmation bias. The epitome of a circle jerk.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:09pm:


So that's where you get it. You have no economics, no maths.

lee wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2025 at 1:40pm:


No, I'm pointing to YOUR ignorance:

Listen carefully: fiat currency-issuing governments don't NEED to tax or borrow money from the private sector, they need to manage the economy to enhance productive capacity while avoiding inflation.   

Public debt which must be repaid with interest is the ultimate scam imposed on the public by Neoclassical orthodoxy.

A scam which resullts in the the public's perjorative view of 'money printing' propogated by delusional 'scarcity' Neoclassical orthodoxy.

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Dummy lee, not an "assumption" but just fact: all new money is created ex nihilo,  perjoratively known as  "printing money" by the ignorant public.

How else can new money be created.....money doesn't 'grow on trees', nor is it mined from the earth.....

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The current housing downturn in China is resulting in less demand for Oz iron ore.

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Dummy lee, it takes a decade or more to roll out TW scale storage-backed renewables, so new coal which can feed into the existing grid NOW is needed to meet the growing  electricity demands NOW. Indeed China's workforce is doing both things at once.

In comparison, Oz's demand for increasing supply of elctricity is growing much more slowly, so we don't need to build new coal plants, as they need replacing.   

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It's not an "overbuild", given all developed economies will have similar per capita electricity consumption. 

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Wind is also prevalent in the Gobi.

lee wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 6:04pm:


Mentally incompetent lee: Neoclassical orthodoxy requires government to tax the private sector, and or borrow from the private sector when taxes don't raise sufficient money to fund government spending. 

Of course I can't point to a well-managed self-funded fiat currency-issuing government, because the Neoclassical  'balanced government budget' scam has fooled the public into thinking a c-i government's  budget is like the public's  own household budgets; a self-funded fiat c-i government doesn't yet exist. 

And of course the public don't like governments spending so-called "taxpayer money", which means government can't properly fund vital public services.

Hence today we see the mayor of Chicago telling Trump "nothing to see here", despite the crime and poverty on the streets of Chicago, while Trump's solution is to go to war against the crims, lock'em up, and somehow make the homeless disappaer.

Meanwhile both men are ignorant of the scam Neoclassical economists are perpetuating on society.

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You are proving the extent to which the Neoclassical scam re money creation has crippled your brain.

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Ignorant as usual, China's private sector housing boom has burst because excess private sector credit could not be repaid; unlike Oz where increasing bank credit is supported by increasing population, even as houses become unaffordable for average wage earners.

There's no need for homelessness in China (if it exists); there is an oversupply of unfinished (private sector) housing projects due to excess bank credit being extended for developers, which can't be supported by lower income Chinese workers (as buyers). All part of the private sector  "housing as investment vehicle" scam.    

Note: the Western-trained Neoclassical economists at the PBofC are now hindering China's advance; they don't know  how to change from an export led-model to a consumer-led model, in the face of Trump's tariffs. 

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Chinese steel mills want to negotiate cheaper ore contracts because the private sector real estate boom is over. 

In fact, China has the productive capacity to keep upgrading its housing stock, but Neoclassocal orthodoxy in both China and the West is bleating about "government debt". 

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Yes dummy, the transition to intermittent renewables (apart from nuclear) is ALWAYS about storage-backing. As for how many TW of storage are required - enough to guarantee security of supply.  China of course is also relying on nuclear, to bolster security of supply.

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The dummy's diversion: equalization of per capita power consumption is not overbuilding, it's  lifting living standards to first world levels. 

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Dummy lee can't hold 2 thoughts for more than one sentence; he's already forgotten the requirement for storage. 

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Dummy lee inventing barriers overcome by engineers. The economics of wind power takes account of the designed life span including maintenance issues.

lee wrote on Oct 6^th, 2025 at 3:52pm:


MMT provides the necessary understanding re money creation in the fiat-currency era (sadly lacking among the general public), and exposes the Neoclassical error which requires the c-i government to tax or borrow from the private sector - an error which is the direct cause of the current widespread democratic dysfunction. 

eg today Macron's chosen PM resigned after a few days in the job, because the French parliament can't agree on how to deal with France's debt.

And of course the US government is currently shut down because the Repubs want lower spending and lower taxes, while the Dems want to extend Obama's health care subsidies to millions of low income Americans.

So, will you open your eyes regarding money creation  - as the Catholic Church was forced to do re the earth's place in the universe,  4 centuries(!) after Galileo exposed the reality.

Will Neoclassical economists hang on to their delusions for so long, causing widespread political and economic chaos in national and global governance?

Hopefully the public - seeing and experiencing increasing democratic dysfunction - will soon move beyond  Neoclassical orthodoxy, just as the public did faced with the Church's geo-centric religious orthodoxy. 

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Crippled brain lee: the private sector developers (eg - spectaculary - Evergrande)  went broke because the 'housing as investment' ideology was based on a private- credit-fueled ponzi scheme like the US 'subprime' housing crisis.

China of course should have instituted  "socialist" principles and housed everyone in good housing, funded by the State, avoiding the private sector's  'housing as investment' (get rich quick) delusion which is currently ravaging Oz.   

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Yes, the boom is over: China is currently trying to sell long dated bonds to encourage investment by local authorities to finish thousands of half-completed houses left after the collapse of the big private housing developers.  The effects of the housing downturn are being felt in the steel industry, and stabilzing the industry is proving to be slow process, as the Neoclassical-informed PBofC is trying to reduce local government debt.   


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Dummy lee: the unknowable speed of tech advance (eg, will nuclear fusion be available some time before 2050?) will determine the numbers going forward, but the direction is clear.

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Ideologically crippled brain lee: China is already increasing renewables at the fastest rate of any nation, while dealing with the extra  time required (decades) to construct grid-scale storage capacity (cf building solar/wind farms), while the tech is changing (eg 'flow' versus lithium ion battery tech, for grid-scale storage). 

Meanwhile it's you and Nats in Oz who are bleating about "climate fraud", inplying no need for Oz to do anything...

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Ideologically blind, dumb lee: you demand the numbers, while China is getting on with the job of creating storage capacity amid continuously  advancing tech eg  small and large nuclear, and new long-distance transmission and grid scale battery storage. The numbers will change as 2050, the Paris-agreed date,  approaches. 

Btw, China has  just increased the efficiency of solar panels:

(google)

China's solar industry has significantly advanced solar panel efficiency through ongoing research and the introduction of new technologies like Heterojunction Interdigitated Back Contact (HIBC) and perovskite tandem cells. Leading Chinese firms such as LONGi have broken world efficiency records for both silicon and perovskite tandem cells, demonstrating increased conversion efficiencies that are poised to make Chinese solar products more competitive globally and contribute to global carbon reduction goals. 

Key developments in solar panel efficiency in China:

Record-Breaking Efficiency: In April 2025, LONGi set a world record for silicon solar cell efficiency at 27.81% with their HIBC technology and unveiled the Hi-MO 9 solar module with 24.8% efficiency

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Don't you know? Chinese engineers will be the first to answer that question, since other countries haven't built wind turbines in windy deserts yet (and btw China just commissioned the world's largest off-shore turbine - they are global leaders in wind, solar and battery tech).

lee wrote on Oct 7^th, 2025 at 3:06pm:


"Civilization is a race between education and catastrophe" HG Wells

Educating people with closed minds - and self-interested Conservatives who insist poverty is always with us - is a long drawn out process.

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In fact the government IS organizing the completion of the unfinished private sector projects, but it's constrained by mainstreem Neoclassical government debt ideology.

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A private sector project involving 250 'up-market' houses in a bustling city of 9 million people, abandoned because the bursting of the private-credit-fueled housing boom (during which the project was conceived)  caused the expected  wealthy investors  seeking capital gains to stay away.

For those interested:

(Britannica).

Shenyang (pop. c. 9 million) has long functioned as the education and cultural centre of the Northeast. The city houses more than 20 universities and colleges, including Liaoning University, Northeastern China Technical University, Northeastern Engineering College, Northeastern Institute of Finance and Economics, and two medical colleges. Dozens of scientific research institutes are located in the city as well. In addition to theatres and libraries, there are also an institute of fine arts and music conservatories.

The 250  houses you mentioned are just one indication of the private sector credit-fueled 'housing as investment' bust.

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Crippled brain lee: wind, solar, battery, and nuclear tech is always changing.


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Regardless, China will continue the transition because it doesn't have gas and oil reserves, and filthy coal poisons the atmosphere. Compare the air in Delhi - a decade behind China in the transition from fossils - with Beijing.
(China and India are both big oil and gas importers).

And the rest of the world, except Trump, is committed to doing something about AGW/CO2 emissions. No need for me to provide "proof" to an AGW/CO2 climate denier.

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Crippled brain 'DDDDDD' lee:

(google)

Today's commercially available solar panels have efficiencies ranging from 17% to 24%, with premium models reaching up to 24.1% and higher, driven by advanced N-type TOPCon and heterojunction (HJT) cell technologies. For specialized applications, concentrated solar cells in labs can achieve efficiencies as high as 47.1%, while other laboratory-based multi-junction cells have reached nearly 40% efficiency

Technology advances, and China is among the leaders in PVs,  do try to keep up.

A Chinese research group has studied this relationship in detail. There are ten large wind farms in the steppe of Ningxia. One of them served as a study area for soil, vegetation and insects. At first glance, the landscape looks barren and little sensitive. Yet the grassland with species like Leymus Secalinus and Stipa breviflora forms a fragile but stable community.
Research results from Ningxia

The scientists collected over 13,000 insects in their research period, spread over 138 species. The analysis shows clearly: With increasing density of the turbines, both the number and the diversity of insects decrease. The death of insects is thus closely linked to the change of soil and vegetation.

The building destroys the soil structure, cuts habitats and hinders the regeneration of vegetation. During operation, the chemical properties of the soil change. The pH level increases while nitrogen, carbon, phosphorus and moisture decrease. This shrinks the nutrient resources for plants, which in turn leads to weaker growth. Insects lose their food base, and soil erosion accelerates.

Indirect effects as the main cause

The researchers describe this mechanism as a “chain of destruction.” Wind turbines affect soils, which in turn affect plants, and in the end the biodiversity suffers. The decline is particularly dramatic in areas with legumes, where plant height and density correlate strongly with the shrinkage of nutrients.

The extent of the problem shows that such damage occurs in a seemingly resilient steppe region of all places. If massive losses occur even in barren landscapes, the consequences are even more serious in more species-rich areas. Birds, bats and other animals that rely on insects are under additional pressure.
International studies prove risks

The research results from Ningxia are not alone. Further work shows that wind turbines cause far-reaching disruptions. Thus, the visual presence of the turbines impairs the mating behavior of animals (Zhang et al., 2021). Noise and electromagnetic radiation interfere with reproduction and orientation (Tougaard et al., 2020 ; Norro et al., 2013). The construction itself destroys vegetation and triggers chain reactions that continue to higher trophic levels.

While many studies have so far focused on birds, bats or marine animals, insects have only recently come into focus. But they are a central element of functioning ecosystems. Their decline is affecting agriculture, biodiversity and natural cycles alike."

https://blackout-news.de/aktuelles/windkraftanlagen-die-unterschaetzte-zerstoeru...

Translated from the German.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


A reduction is not the same as "no" poverty.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


It means they are abandoned.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


Computer chips.  Moores Law.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


So tell us the number of this "majority" of climate scientists believe AGW is CO2 caused. And then how many of those agree that we are headed towards a possible climate disaster.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:



'You mean they closed the old coal fired plants and installed new one in 1994 of 880MW, outside the city. There is one wind farm of 64.5MW. 800MW of hydro, and thousands of MW of gas. Lat time I looked gas waqs considered a foosil fuel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_Beijing

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


Schools not so much, unless they are the "special state sponsored schools".

And oit only gets adopted if the research is proved feasible, depending on the diktats of the government in power.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


False. All your protestations show otherwise.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


So don't live in high-traffic density cities. Personal choice.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


Not while EV's are catching alight. How many ships have sunk now transporting EV's? And that's sitting turned off, with no drivers in sight.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:


And unproven. An economic wank.

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:00pm:



Yes, Unfortunately your "education" is sadly lacking, so you are headed for the catastrophic exit.