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Reply #15 - Aug 30^th, 2025 at 9:52am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 9:40am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 9:34am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 9:29am:

Power is not a measure of effectiveness.

Service is.

Not within the current world zeitgeist, it's not.

Effectiveness has become the benchmark of and justification for power usage.

Service has become a euphemism for 'bleeding-heart' liberalism.

That's going to be part of Trump's lasting legacy, forever tarnishing democracy and what it stood for.

Trump didn't create the current zeitgeist... no single person can.

He is a product of it.

This is demonstrated, as exceptions that prove the rule, in 'zeitgeist-resistant' holdouts such as Australia and Canada, where local political parties tried on Trumpism and were ground into the dirt for it.

While in the Western cultural heartlands of the US, Britain, France and Italy, authoritarianism has captured the public's imagination.

Spain and Greece will soon be falling into line.

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Reply #16 - Aug 30^th, 2025 at 10:02am

He didn't invent the playbook, but he's taken it and twisted it into something far more audacious than anything we've seen before.

We now have troops patrolling streets in states that explicitly rejected him. He's pushing for out-of-cycle redistricting just to grab more seats in the midterms, fully aware that his disastrous performance in the first six months almost guarantees he'll lose control of both chambers. This is a deliberate attempt to sidestep the will of the people.

This isn't politics as usual, it's something far darker.

Winning at all costs for his own enrichment, or the ability to avoid prison time doesn't automatically make him a good leader.

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Reply #17 - Aug 30^th, 2025 at 10:22am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 10:02am:

He didn't invent the playbook, but he's taken it and twisted it into something far more audacious than anything we've seen before.

We now have troops patrolling streets in states that explicitly rejected him. He's pushing for out-of-cycle redistricting just to grab more seats in the midterms, fully aware that his disastrous performance in the first six months almost guarantees he'll lose control of both chambers. This is a deliberate attempt to sidestep the will of the people.

This isn't politics as usual, it's something far darker.

Winning at all costs for his own enrichment, or the ability to avoid prison time doesn't automatically make him a good leader.

You need to place Trump in the context of his times.

An early boomer whose birth privilege gave him a front-row seat at the show of culture-shapers of the age.

Trained by Cohn, who became culturally relevant during the McCarthy era...

He lived through Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Wallace, Nixon, Carter and Reagan during his childhood and youthful adulthood.

The most formative on him being: Wallace, Nixon, Carter and Reagan.

Is it any wonder that his instinct is to summon the ghosts of 60s and 70s cultural America?

However, the stunt wouldn't work if there wasn't general nostalgia for the eras.

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Reply #18 - Aug 30^th, 2025 at 10:50am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 9:39am:

Scoot, I've reread my posts and realise they may have come off harsher than intended. That wasn't my aim.

I respect that you're taking an interest, but I worry that instead of challenging your own views, you're taking the easy route, building walls to protect them. That's not how you grow as a person. It's how you stagnate, rot, and get left behind. Don't make the same mistake so many of the usual suspects do by turning that defensiveness into your personality.

That rot and stagnation will cost you those around you whom you actually care about, people who aren't equally hollow inside. You say you have adult children and grandchildren, don't put contact with them at risk by idolising someone like Trump, who wouldn't see any value in you unless there's something in it for him.

Don't fall for the trap of thinking transactional loyalty is a virtue. The kind of person you're praising sees nothing but opportunity in supporters, and living outside the US doesn't protect you, it just puts you higher on the list of people to exploit.

These posts aren't just foolish, they're actively working against your own interests and your nation's. I'm trying to be constructive here, not just critical: challenge your assumptions, don't let them calcify, or the cost will be yours.

Are you challenging your own views, you come across as a person who will not tolerate anyone not aligning with your views.

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Reply #19 - Aug 30^th, 2025 at 11:02am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

Well all politicians want to increase their power.
It's the metric used to measure their effectiveness.

Would you admit this newbie politician has increased his power in terms 2.
I agree it's totally unethical.
Like coca cola or Marlboro or Pablo Escobar increasing their power.

But you can't argue that Trump has increased his power.
Which democrat is going to go head to head with him?

No democrat is going to go head to head with Trump, this is the mistake they are making now, they are still campaigning against Trump. What for, he will never be in the elections again. Trump is trolling Newsome by sending him "Trump 2028 caps" and Newsome is falling for it. Newsome is coming across as a vulgar nasty beaten man. He should be watching Vance a bit more closely, Vance is quietly building a solid foundation, Newsome looks like a fool shouting at the sky.

A judge has just ruled that democrat Lettica James violated Trump's 8th amendment rights, the dems themselves are violating the constitution but think if they ignore it then it didn't happen.

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Reply #20 - Aug 30^th, 2025 at 11:19am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 10:22am:

He lived through Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Wallace, Nixon, Carter and Reagan during his childhood and youthful adulthood.

The most formative on him being: Wallace, Nixon, Carter and Reagan.

If you analyse Trump's presidential actions, you'll note themes of all four leaders in them.

Wallace: Say aloud what the people are thinking but dare not say.

Nixon: Accumulate presidential power by any means you can get away with.

Carter: Stay out of global wars.

Reagan: Make America Great Again.

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Reply #21 - Aug 30^th, 2025 at 9:58pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 11:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 10:22am:

He lived through Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Wallace, Nixon, Carter and Reagan during his childhood and youthful adulthood.

The most formative on him being: Wallace, Nixon, Carter and Reagan.

If you analyse Trump's presidential actions, you'll note themes of all four leaders in them.

Wallace: Say aloud what the people are thinking but dare not say.

Nixon: Accumulate presidential power by any means you can get away with.

Carter: Stay out of global wars.

Reagan: Make America Great Again.

And, of course, the ghost of Cohn in his ear: Never admit you're wrong. Never concede defeat.

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Reply #23 - Aug 31^st, 2025 at 6:35am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 10:02am:

He didn't invent the playbook, but he's taken it and twisted it into something far more audacious than anything we've seen before.

We now have troops patrolling streets in states that explicitly rejected him. He's pushing for out-of-cycle redistricting just to grab more seats in the midterms, fully aware that his disastrous performance in the first six months almost guarantees he'll lose control of both chambers. This is a deliberate attempt to sidestep the will of the people.

This isn't politics as usual, it's something far darker.

Winning at all costs for his own enrichment, or the ability to avoid prison time doesn't automatically make him a good leader.

Again you are confusing "good leader" with " successful leader".

A crispy creme donut is not a good food but it is successful.

It may well be the case that Mozart's music is superior to Taylor swifts.

War and peace may be a better read then 50 shades of grey.

The leftie intellectuals needs to understand Sales .

Trump is selling a product to willing buyers .

If you want them to buy more nutritious foods and products, calling them deplorable and being smug about their stupidity is not a sensible marketing strategy

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Reply #25 - Aug 31^st, 2025 at 7:57am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 6:35am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2025 at 10:02am:

He didn't invent the playbook, but he's taken it and twisted it into something far more audacious than anything we've seen before.

We now have troops patrolling streets in states that explicitly rejected him. He's pushing for out-of-cycle redistricting just to grab more seats in the midterms, fully aware that his disastrous performance in the first six months almost guarantees he'll lose control of both chambers. This is a deliberate attempt to sidestep the will of the people.

This isn't politics as usual, it's something far darker.

Winning at all costs for his own enrichment, or the ability to avoid prison time doesn't automatically make him a good leader.

Again you are confusing "good leader" with " successful leader".

A crispy creme donut is not a good food but it is successful.

It may well be the case that Mozart's music is superior to Taylor swifts.

War and peace may be a better read then 50 shades of grey.

The leftie intellectuals needs to understand Sales .

Trump is selling a product to willing buyers .

If you want them to buy more nutritious foods and products, calling them deplorable and being smug about their stupidity is not a sensible marketing strategy

The doting cultists needs to understand governance.

To you, the challenge begins and ends with Trump getting into office, and the rest is just cheerleading. Once he's there, you'll twist yourself into knots to defend him no matter how much damage he causes, because the victory itself is all you actually care about.

But to everyone else, the election is the unfortunate obstacle we put up with to decide who governs. What matters isn't the sales pitch, it's what's done in office once the marketing is over. Judging a leader solely on their ability to "sell" is admitting you've surrendered any expectation of competence, integrity, or results.

That's just blind loyalty and devotion.

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Reply #26 - Aug 31^st, 2025 at 8:09am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 31^st, 2025 at 6:35am:

A crispy creme donut is not a good food but it is successful.

It may well be the case that Mozart's music is superior to Taylor swifts.

War and peace may be a better read then 50 shades of grey.

The leftie intellectuals needs to understand Sales .

Trump is selling a product to willing buyers .

If you want them to buy more nutritious foods and products, calling them deplorable and being smug about their stupidity is not a sensible marketing strategy

Don't look now, but you're using the plot of a Christo-centric devil movie to explain Trump's motives!

The standard plot: The devil tempts his victim with instant hedonistic pleasure, but does not deny the cost... the point being that the victim must freely choose evil over good for the devil to have succeeded.

It's also the ethos of a narco-trafficker.

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