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Reply #30 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 6:58am
 
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-work-that-turns-deadly-202508...


When police headed to Porepunkah to deliver a warrant, they had conducted a risk assessment, checking for any prior convictions and previous behaviour of the resident.

He was known to be eccentric, a “sovereign citizen”, a sucker for conspiracy theories and a hater of police, blaming them for some of his problems. All would be flagged on the police computer system to forewarn those who would deal with him.


He changed his name to Dezi Freeman to reflect his bizarre political convictions. He is a man who believes the rules don’t apply to him and that he is a persecuted victim. In short, he is a weirdo with a grudge. But being a weirdo with a grudge doesn’t make you a killer.

Clearly police were wary, with 10 officers assigned for the job, probably to help search the property or respond if things became ugly. This was a job they knew could go nasty, but no one thought it would turn deadly.

And it did turn deadly within moments of the police entering the property. It’s early days in the investigation but planned or unplanned, this looks like an ambush.

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It is understood police had previously seized weapons from Freeman, but it’s believed he still had a homemade shotgun and a high-powered hunting rifle.

Risks are graded. High risk may require SOG, critical incident response team or public order response team support.

Inquiries into how this case was graded and the allocation of resources will be conducted in the weeks and months ahead.

Police, uniformed and detectives, went to the property to deliver a summons and conduct a search.

And then it happened. While details are scarce, it is alleged the suspect opened fire, killing two police and injuring a third.

He lived on a bus on the property behind a security gate. He allegedly shot and killed two officers as they entered.

Police have yet to release the names of the two police killed but it is understood one was a much loved local detective, 59, weeks from retirement, and the second, a Melbourne officer, 35, working in the area on temporary secondment.

It is believed Freeman took one police 40-calibre Smith and Wesson semi-automatic pistol with 30 rounds of ammunition from a fatally wounded officer.

A third officer, shot in the thigh, was able to take shelter. Even though there were seven police there, it took an hour for an extraction team to rescue him due to the ongoing risk from Freeman. The injured policeman, a local officer, has been flown to The Alfred hospital for surgery.

An SOG crew, including specialist snipers, was flown by helicopter to the scene. There are now hundreds of police involved in the hunt.

Porepunkah was placed in lockdown with the killer fleeing into the bush. This will make the SOG manhunt complex. Chief Commissioner Mike Bush says he wants the matter resolved peacefully with the arrest of the suspect. That will entirely be a matter for Freeman.

The property is heavily wooded. Police will search knowing the offender may have already set up ambush points, built hidden camps and possibly booby-trapped areas.

The initial police report suggested an ambush, similar to the Queensland extremist Christian attack carried out by offenders with a sovereign citizen background.

In December 2022 police went to a property in Wieambilla on what they thought was a routine missing persons inquiry.

It was a planned ambush that resulted in constables Matthew Arnold and Rachel McCrow and neighbour Alan Dare being shot dead.

The offenders, brothers Gareth and Nathaniel Train, and Gareth’s wife, Stacey Train, were shot dead by police following a siege.

As in the Queensland attack, it is likely that ASIO will assess whether the Porepunkah shooting was a terrorist act.

Detectives and intelligence experts will ask, was Freeman was waiting for police; was he planning an ambush?


Bush has begun his five-year term with a low-key approach. Now he will need to lead from the front in the most awful circumstances.

It is every chief commissioner’s nightmare. A police funeral with full honours for a member shot on duty.

For Bush, there will be two.

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Reply #31 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 9:31am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 8:19pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 8:16pm:
This guy will resist....


He'll probably shoot himself.



Is his family with him?  Risky ...


No.

He's on his own.
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Reply #32 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 10:54am
 
Given the information below it certainly appears to have been poorly planned.

I would suggest that dealing with someone who appears to have a serious mental Illness and known to be in possession of high powered firearms is something I would take extremely seriously and I would not be knocking on his front door or walking casually onto his property.

More , much more importantly. These. Officers are just like us, they leave behind grieving families and didn’t deserve to die . They were at work and there work involved keeping us all safe.

It’s a tragedy.

The only positive I can take from this is that they have quite possibly saved dozens of people from being shot , the man is certainly unhinged and has proven to be killer.
What  he may have been planning could have been a mass  shooting event?

I suspect his got a plan and has slipped away into the bush.

I hope that those searching know a little about traps.
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Reply #33 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 12:57pm
 
Sophia wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 7:17pm:
Oh my just saw an extensive story on the guy. Talk about harassed a lot by cops. Since about 2018.
He said somewhere that police were thugs.
Well not all but… it comes to mind that poor kid dropped to the concrete floor at a train station (Bobby has put that vid up) by cops. That kid ended up dying as a result of injuries.

I know someone personally who’s a sov cit and was harassed to the point he put up signs around the fence perimeter of his property as a warning to keep out. Well if you know our shire… it’s the worst one ever… they wouldn’t allow him to build a house on the land, declared it as land slip.
So they had no choice but to sell up and leave.
Lo and behold, the new owners were allowed to build a house on that property in a short time after.





Cops don't harass someone because they are a "sovereign citizen" per se... it's because when -

they pull them over for breaking the law .... like speeding, unlicenced driving, driving unregistered car, failing to provide a sample for a road side breath/drug test, non payment of council rates, failing to appear in court after receiving a summons, etc. etc.

As sovereign citizens they don't believe those regulations or laws apply to them.

I have no sympathy for anyone who does that.

Every example I have seen about issues with so called "sovereign citizens" they have been in the wrong & are just whack jobs.
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Reply #34 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm
 
This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim.

Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses.....

they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022.

The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists.

Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons.
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Reply #35 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 2:36pm
 
There are many issues with how this event unfolded.

It’s a tragedy.

My thoughts are with the families and colleagues who are suffering right now rather than finding blame.

That will eventually come Im sure.

The only positive is that they may have saved a mass shooting event.

Still, cops are just like us and don’t deserve to die doing their job.

Just like us!

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Reply #36 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 2:43pm
 

Hopefully we'll see this headline soon:

"Shooter found dead in bush land with self-inflicted gunshot wound"
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Reply #37 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 4:10pm
 
Victoria police commissioner gives a speech.

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https://7news.com.au/news/dezi-freeman-manhunt-the-four-months-i-spent-talking-t...




He got his guns back:



A month later, Dezi was back in court trying to settle one of his feuds.

At the time, I believed it was another inconsequential update to the life of Dezi Freeman.

But now, it’s perhaps the most consequential decision a Magistrate has ever made in the Wangaratta Courthouse.

“Hi Luke. Yesterday we had a victory in Wang Court.
The Magistrate rejected (the) application to take my firearms ... The tide is turning.”
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Reply #38 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 4:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 4:10pm:
A month later, Dezi was back in court trying to settle one of his feuds.

At the time, I believed it was another inconsequential update to the life of Dezi Freeman.

But now, it’s perhaps the most consequential decision a Magistrate has ever made in the Wangaratta Courthouse.
I
“Hi Luke. Yesterday we had a victory in Wang Court.
The Magistrate rejected (the) application to take my firearms ... The tide is turning.”


Any update on the “ magistrate “ name would be most welcome!

Funny how our court ruins lives but don’t put a name to their terrible decisions ?
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Reply #39 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:11pm
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 12:57pm:
Sophia wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 7:17pm:
Oh my just saw an extensive story on the guy. Talk about harassed a lot by cops. Since about 2018.
He said somewhere that police were thugs.
Well not all but… it comes to mind that poor kid dropped to the concrete floor at a train station (Bobby has put that vid up) by cops. That kid ended up dying as a result of injuries.

I know someone personally who’s a sov cit and was harassed to the point he put up signs around the fence perimeter of his property as a warning to keep out. Well if you know our shire… it’s the worst one ever… they wouldn’t allow him to build a house on the land, declared it as land slip.
So they had no choice but to sell up and leave.
Lo and behold, the new owners were allowed to build a house on that property in a short time after.





Cops don't harass someone because they are a "sovereign citizen" per se... it's because when -

they pull them over for breaking the law .... like speeding, unlicenced driving, driving unregistered car, failing to provide a sample for a road side breath/drug test, non payment of council rates, failing to appear in court after receiving a summons, etc. etc.

As sovereign citizens they don't believe those regulations or laws apply to them.

I have no sympathy for anyone who does that.

Every example I have seen about issues with so called "sovereign citizens" they have been in the wrong & are just whack jobs.


Sounds like a vote for 'this is part of the growing wackiness of the West'.... in the same boat as 'certain other delusional states' that are somehow permitted to be mainstream, since the closure of the psychiatric hospitals and such and government cashing those in for money they wasted anyway.

Perhaps we could build a list of 'delusional states' that are causing so much trouble in the West at this time.

I'll start:-

transgender ideology
Islamophilia and the accompanying guards down
supremacy of 'Indigenous' claims
the belief that Gaza is the victim
sovereign citizenship
feminist supremacism
... there must be others ...

I started that thread on sovereign citizenship to open up discussion of the whys and wherefore of the development of this 'cult'.. this ideology ... this 'set of ideas' which is just like the others - and now - sadly - it seems that was a rather prophetic thing given the recent events... and this issue DOES need a lot of careful thought and some resolutions = even if it means Gon'Mo.... I wouldn't laugh or think Gon'Mo is just a mad dream or a joke..... something has to be done to either deport or inport these dangerous types and quarantine them from society.

We can deport Outlanders who cause trouble and violence etc - plenty of those - but our homegrowns can either be banished from the realm and their citizenship stripped or be allowed to run free in Gon'Mo Province... not a prison as such - an open space from which escape is hardly a viable option where they can make the best of things ... the crocs, sharks and Abo guards with traditional weapons and ways see to that.

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Reply #40 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm:
This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim.

Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses.....

they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022.

The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists.

Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons.


Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing.

All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns.

They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time.

I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself.

I'm almost certain he will.
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Reply #41 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 6:36pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm:
This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim.

Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses.....

they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022.

The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists.

Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons.


Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing.

All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns.

They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time.

I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself.

I'm almost certain he will.


No, not all.
Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care.

I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run.
They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal.
Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired.

So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong.

This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent.

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Reply #42 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 7:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm:
This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim.

Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses.....

they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022.

The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists.

Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons.


Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing.

All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns.

They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time.

I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself.

I'm almost certain he will.

Any Sovereign Citizen who is known to have guns will be immediately arrested as a Sovereign Citizen would not, as a matter of principle, apply for a gun licence.
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Reply #43 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 7:25pm
 
Sophia wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 6:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm:
This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim.

Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses.....

they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022.

The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists.

Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons.


Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing.

All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns.

They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time.

I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself.

I'm almost certain he will.


No, not all.
Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care.

I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run.
They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal.
Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired.

So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong.

This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent.


Shooting people is not absolutely abhorrent, depends on the people involved, if a policeman comes face to face with the criminal and shoots him dead it will be heroic.
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Reply #44 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 7:37pm
 
Sophia wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 6:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 5:59pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm:
This bloke was known to Police who also knew of his Sovereign Citizen claim.

Obviously the Victorian Police must go about with their heads up their arses.....

they didn't learn one thing from the Wieambilla incident where two Police Officers shot & killed by the Train Family when they attended a farmhouse in December 2022.

The Trains were the same sort of people as this Dezi Freeman - Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy theorists.

Also having a heavy arsenal of unregistered weapons.


Sadly, you're right - they didn't learn a thing.

All SovCits should be considered dangerous, especially those known to have guns.

They must always be treated with extreme caution - they are literally insane and could do anything at any time.

I just hope the shooter does the right thing and uses one of his guns on himself.

I'm almost certain he will.


No, not all.
Using the same brush to tar all others is the same as saying the copper that tasered the granny as all cops are thugs and act without due care.

I have just spoken to our friends that are sov citizens and they said, they don’t like the way they keep using that term to describe this man on the run.
They said they have no care for him and said he’s a criminal.
Now our male friend was ex army, and has 2 brothers in the police force. One has retired.

So therefore, saying all sovcits are bad is wrong.

This guy on the run… he’s a criminal first and foremost and shooting people is absolutely abhorrent.



No one said or suggested that.... though a sovereign citizen might.

Sovereign citizens that make the headlines have proven they are bad - and it's for all the wrong reasons.

So if your friends don't fit the mold as to these types then they're not really a sovereign citizen type.

They are just more your disgruntled citizen .....

and in this day and age with what's going on - who is not?  Smiley
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