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Re: preferential voting = instant runoff voting
Reply #45 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 10:05pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 12:12pm:
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Still a lot easier to just go FPTP and save people from the kind of government and opposition we currently are enduring.


What makes you think that would happen?

In the USA they use FPTP. In their last lower house election, the two major parties got 97.3% of the vote between them. This is not because they are popular or doing a good job. In fact it allows them to get away with far more than our major parties can. It is a result of minor candidates withdrawing from the ballot, and people not voting for minor candidates, because without preferential voting you are throwing your vote away.

Even if Americans insist on voting for who they actually prefer, it does not help them if there are only two candidates on the ballot, or if there is a third, they only get 3% of the vote and no-one pays them any attention anyway.


Do I have to expect it to happen to discuss it?

If it saves just ONE voter from making a terrible mistake.... it will have all been worth it...

Water dripping on stone ... not the same as wishy-washy drips getting stoned...

No,no, NO!  Thre can be any number of candidates - like a Malbun Cyup  ... twenty six horses or something.. duzzen madda - only one can pass the post first.

.. Black Flash has taken the Cambra Cup at the post  ...  correct weight... the judges are still adjudicating on preference running...."

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Re: preferential voting = instant runoff voting
Reply #46 - Aug 28th, 2025 at 7:44am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 27th, 2025 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2025 at 12:12pm:
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Still a lot easier to just go FPTP and save people from the kind of government and opposition we currently are enduring.


What makes you think that would happen?

In the USA they use FPTP. In their last lower house election, the two major parties got 97.3% of the vote between them. This is not because they are popular or doing a good job. In fact it allows them to get away with far more than our major parties can. It is a result of minor candidates withdrawing from the ballot, and people not voting for minor candidates, because without preferential voting you are throwing your vote away.

Even if Americans insist on voting for who they actually prefer, it does not help them if there are only two candidates on the ballot, or if there is a third, they only get 3% of the vote and no-one pays them any attention anyway.


Do I have to expect it to happen to discuss it?

If it saves just ONE voter from making a terrible mistake.... it will have all been worth it...

Water dripping on stone ... not the same as wishy-washy drips getting stoned...

No,no, NO!  Thre can be any number of candidates - like a Malbun Cyup  ... twenty six horses or something.. duzzen madda - only one can pass the post first.

.. Black Flash has taken the Cambra Cup at the post  ...  correct weight... the judges are still adjudicating on preference running...."



Under FPTP, voters are forced to make mistakes. They can either vote for the candidate they prefer most, or vote for the preferred candidate out of the two they think will lead. It is a demonstrably worse outcome, with fewer choices on the ballot, and less competition for the two major parties.
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