51% wins in a photo finish ...

....now in a House with 52 Labor, 46 LNP and 52 Other all on Primary Vote - there would have to be wide open deals made to form government - not all these shady deals down at the Neo-Fascommunist Club over a beer or wine ...

Surely such a thing would create far greater Transparency and thus trust in government processes?  Surely that could not be worse than a third of the primary vote holding two thirds of the seats through shady deals that nobody outside their group ever heard of..

Only a government bent on tyranny tries to keep its deals secret...and only a despotic government keeps deals behind closed doors that affect the public, such as 'land deals' with distant Abo groups as in Toobeah(that it?), where a back room deal was made to hand over 93% (or something) of the area to some Abo group from a thousand miles away with no connection of note to the land.

If you can't see it - I can.

Can't agree, freed - 51% indicates that it is not a single member electorate - meaning there is only one candidate ... any number of candidates can compete - only one can win ... or in the event of a tie ... hmmm couple of options there.

Proportional representation, as in Switzerland, means there must be a certain number/percentage of seats for the three major ethnic groups - Italian, German, French (and Romanysh) ... to ensure at least an approximation of equal representation and thus to avoid despotism of one group over another or others...  not perfect but it kind of works....

MY point is - though the argument is that 'preference voting' permits those 'alternative' views to get some input to the electoral process - the same applies with first past the post - look at the 52/46/52 ... out of that last 52 - the other groups have some representation, and thus a government, in establishing the now needed 'coalition' (not Coalition) must accommodate to some degree their ideas and 'needs' .. same with an Opposition....

It's a big step away from the system designed to guarantee the total dominance of the major parties here... but so is the idea of splitting the States and revamping the Senate etc...  the vast area of NSW - for example - did not vote for Labor candidates... yet they predominate massively due to the City Slicker Vote... so Sydney or the Bush?... and should the Bush be given the right to go its own way in smaller and more contiguous states?

Labor's 'at least 51% of winnable seats' means we could have a government 100% sheilas.... essentially a single candidate election .................................anyone really want that?  Since they invaded the schools the kids are chopping up their minds and their bodies and coming up with utter garbage... since they got dopey blokes (pussy struck) to vote in 'affirmative action' - that highly illegal preference for specific groups...................... they started off the whole process of faulty thinking ..... oh, but preference for some means equality in 1984-speak.... and now look at the utter dominance of that style of 'thinking'... with every dope parroting what the tame media tells them ... and every group demanding 'equality' by demanding special rights and privileges.

I just watched a video of a girl arguing Gaza with a Jewish guy - he laid out EVERY step Israel had taken to give a Gazan state a fair go to develop etc... she nodded at each one..... body language indicating automatic agreement since she KNEW he was right - but then instantly Newthink took over and she came back with the same empty phrases against Israel....

These are VERY dangerous waters for the West - continuing to live in Delusion (small town with very thin air - affects the brain) - is what is permitting every barbarian on this planet to sneak up on us while the New-Chums squander their intelligence on rubbish handed to them at school and in the media.

They BELIEVE - despite KNOWING differently in their water - in 'climate change', nuclear costs more, renewables at 9 trillion (see my post from NSW government) is far cheaper, Gaza is good/Israel bad, trannies are victims while beating up women, immigration of hostiles is a good thing, waving your national flag is a crime, every Abo is oppressed regardless of every fact that says differently, all men are stupid and women are better at everything, that old people are selfish and hoard every thing to themselves greedily, that Labor has them all in its heart ......

No wonder the country is in such a mess... if we could FORCE politicians to negotiation openly and fairly and actually take into account all those varying views to even form a government - we might get a better result than the current downward spiral.

Just going to look at this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvRIQhc0Cok

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 1:42pm:


Well - every electorate only has one representative - I fail to see the semantic point here.



Any 'balance of views' appears - at first glance, to be better served with a first past the post which allows all kinds to gain a seat on the Primary Vote - and THEN any deals have to be made in public.  Transparency ... (nothing to do with transgenders having parents) ...

"In today's news - the Independent for Maykabungl has thrown hir vote in with the Fantagonists on the proviso that they support hir push for blender equality of all races so as to attacin true equality for all ......."

Now I'm just throwing up ideas here - same as I did with Aborassic Park that upset a few losers here - Usual Suspects - the kind who can't see the trees for the forest all around them... and they fail to see that such a gift to whining Abos is what those Abos demand etc... and that as time goes by - you must remember this  ..... there is a growing need for a true maximum security facility for the really evil people growing in number these days in our 'economic climate' that (as predicted) is creating a genuine criminal underworld again... only a much nastier one that in times past here... would YOU give a lunatic Musso a gun licence?

But all electorates have a single member... there is no point.... you must not confuse sitting member with candidates. They can't all wi - only one can no matter which way you twist it ... so is it not better to have open and transparent dealmaking to form a government instead of the current opaque deals made behind the people's backs?

Just got me certificate of appreciation for delivering democracy... add it to me name on the glass wall - and I ain't even dead yet, though reported as such twice!

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 7:01pm:


Every single electorate has only one sitting Member as its representative - that doesn't mean there is only one candidate like some fully Third World shot-hole (yet).  The member has been elected, winning the race, and there is till one member ONLY no maxtter if it is FPTP or preference voting.  Easy

So - when people vote, mostly they have no idea what deals have been made to give preferences ...on the other hand - if a luralistic government is elected - let's say 52 Lorbor, 46 Lybrel, and 52 Others - a government can only be formed with deals being made - either with the largest opposing bloc party - or with some of the Others ... and any such deal AFTER an election will be transparent.

It's not hard.

So either we have a government where the two major parties work more together, or we have a government of one major party having deals with sufficient of the Others to form government - and since the large number of Others were elected, that means that most of the issues to people will be represented, and can be addressed in some way through a coalition government.

It's really not hard to follow... the difference - once again - is that any deals done AFTER the election are open to public scrutiny.

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 8:28pm:


Above the line - number one to six -OR below the line number every candidate.

If you do as I did and exclude the majors in your six above the line - they don't get your preferences direct.  Thing is - if one of those that you chose gives them preferences, they still go the some party you did not vote for.

It's a sneaky system and far too busy for the ordinary person to think much about.

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 8:26am:


Yeah - I know - I worked at the last election - so my preferences didn't go anywhere near the major parties.  Still a lot easier to just go FPTP and save people from the kind of government and opposition we currently are enduring.

Fascist Labor and the Disorganised Rabble.. Ley your weary heads down while Albo's sheilas ruin the country with their silly ideas... look at what's happened to schools since the dopey sheilas took over there because men are all potential rapists - kids go on chemicals to neuter them; cut off their tits and balls; academic standards are way down; discipline is down the toilet; propaganda replaces school larnin'; discrimination and racism become paramount; boys are shoved aside into non-professional jobs and are marked down and turned into labourers of the sweat in the lesser work classes or groomed to become drug lords and part of the criminal classes; young men suicide at a high rate nowadays for all these reasons; lots of young guys reckon they'd be better off as sheilas; little Miss Sally who knows it all gets all the goodies and tells us everything we need to know about every issue; drugs are sold at schools; kids are knifed; schools are burned; gang wars persist; social values are thrown out the window; hatred of others is taught under the guise of DEI and 'inclusion' .... you name it...

Every hare-brained poof or sheila thought now governs your schools.... any pipe dream designed over a heavy night out will do... as long as it suits the dopey sheilas who now think they run this country because of their affirmative action and imagine themselves to be better at it while the country hits the walls of reality on every front.

I think any change is a good change.... as long as it forces out the major parties.