Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 7:05pm:


Most people know how they vote, yes. If you put Labor ahead of Liberal in the lower house, that's where your vote will probably end up, assuming it ends in a two horse race between Labor and Liberal.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 7:05pm:


The voters determine where the preferences go, not the parties.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 8:56pm:



If the People are happy with a known cheat, liar and wife beating perjurer so be it ... but I doubt very much he would even begin to get the majority of votes.

What if C is thick as a California Redwood and has a gut on him like a council horse...

It's never as simple as you make out here.  People won't vote for an asshole... unless he's Barnaby or Albo or .. any number of others .... so his preferences don't count unless the other candidates are his mates or something.

Better to just go with the top vote.

Remember that joke about the politician trying out one day in Heaven and being bored and one day in Hell surrounded by golf, babes and good living and choosing Hell to find it is all bad when he gets back there - and he says - "But yesterday it was all great here!" ... and the Devil says - "Yesterday we were campaigning."

Never forget, grasshopper....

Trust The Voters, Grasshopper - they are not stupid.... they are only made fools of under a preference voting system which robs their vote and gives it to some villain they never voted for or intended to vote for.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2025 at 8:23am:


I think many have simply given up - I'm still waiting for the person here who says hshe voted Labor... nobody has - they usually put it as 'I didn't vote for Albo' as if Prince Albo was already Emperor Tony I or something (delusion about our democracy) ... many simply do not know or understand the realities of what they are voting for, or are simply too tied up with their daily grind...

For many years until I retired, for example - I was full on 24/7 with the kids' mother in movies and me on call 24/7/365 .... never had time to work things out.... now I have the patience, the time and the angst to go into all these things and work out how The People are being robbed at every turn, including blatant throwing of millions of public money to old party mates etc through shady but 'legal' deals...  Gillard did nothing illegal .. Gladys (on the other side) did nothing 'illegal'... it was just wrong... women certainly brought a new aspect to politics here - more tricky grift.... and zero conscience - but anyone who knows women would know that.... they don't call a group of women a conspiracy for no reason...

I digress - but eddicating youse lot is a very broad thing and every tiny bit sinks into your minds, like water dripping on stone...

At least SOME are sufficiently advanced to hold a firm view on 'one side or the other' and vote that way ... but without eddication in these things for all, it is very difficult to get people to see what is wrong... it will take a long time and a lot of careful consideration and perhaps minor rebellions across the country to get people moving...

Governments are adept at picking on one small group or on individuals one at a time, so the majority doesn't notice until it hits them... and Albo I The Usurper/Pretender Emperor in Waiting KNOWS full well that no matter what he does.... the people are essentially without power... they have not the wherewithal to tackle government moves in courts (see Meister's comment on those from authoritarian countries - see the contempt with which that 'court' treats Bruce's lawyer, who is all he can afford*), and their power at the ballot box is bolloxed by 'preference voting' which can and will exclude the People's Choice from being elected... and by other government establishments such as the unwieldy states and thus central control over huge areas, and the incumbent Senate system.

Put simply The People Have Not the Power To Overthrow Wrongful Government (even if it is 'mildly' wrongful, though I would argue that no such thing can exist, since any wrongful government is evil) - the politicians and all others KNOW that - so they continue to treat us as serfs and convicts in waiting.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2025 at 1:31pm:


Preferring after they voted for someone else first?

So second or third place gets the Gold?

Is any race run like that at the Olympics?

That depends - who defined the apples and who defined the cats in this case?

Thinking cap ... what if someone arbitrarily defined a cat as an apple or vice versa to suit their ideology... dost that make an apple transiton ino a cat? 

You are striking a well worn trail of illusion here, Greg... and you know where that leads...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pull-the-wool-over-eyes

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24^th, 2025 at 1:42pm:


What do you mean after they voted? The preferences come from their votes Grapps. If 51% of the electorate prefer candidate A over the next most popular candidate, who should win, in a democracy?

Why do you think it matters whether they are presented with 2 options or 10 options on the ballot paper?

Would it make more sense to you if we had to turn up to the polls twice like the French do in order to have a runoff election between the two leading candidates, if neither get 50% of the vote?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24^th, 2025 at 12:38am:

FPTP is the enemy of democracy.

‘’ Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams’’