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Reply #15 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:57pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23rd, 2025 at 11:16am:
LNP never again wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 10:00pm:
Liberals arent coming back from a 20% primary ,  ever . What are they offering , leaving net zero ? What's alternative  that voters rejected last election ? They backing jews .. no one cares... they building coal fired power stations ? Tried 22 times .. failed .. ya 2 dumb to see how well Albo reads room ... give it up guys its embarrassing,  ya never gonna see government ever again and ya best tell ya messiahs to seriously look at their strategy if they want to last past next election as its looking like total annihilation. Qld already done a reset and looking like theyre gawn next election,  dead in WA dead in SA,  dead in VIc ( you have no chance) minority in Tassie ....  Smiley just give up its not gonna happen , boomers and dementia patients dying off , even the closet homosexual kids to conservative parents not even entertained lnp ... just resign to the fact its not gonna happen,  lnp ... the ' coalition' just arent an attractive prospect  Smiley


I thought their primary - the LNP - was 32.2% - as opposed to Labor's primary of 34.7% - a massive minority government that should not be holding all those seats.

Hang on - let's hit reality for a moment - how did Albo win in 2022:-

                          Labor                 LNP                  Other
Primary vote      4,776,030      5,233,334      1,795,985
Percentage          32.58%          35.70%          12.25%



That graph is pretty telling.
I hadn’t seen those figures and just believed the mainstream media that it was a complete white wash of the liberals.

I wonder how many of these independents are fake and just labor plants?

The LNP Gold Coast council got caught out doing exactly that!
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Reply #16 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 6:15pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:57pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23rd, 2025 at 11:16am:
LNP never again wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 10:00pm:
Liberals arent coming back from a 20% primary ,  ever . What are they offering , leaving net zero ? What's alternative  that voters rejected last election ? They backing jews .. no one cares... they building coal fired power stations ? Tried 22 times .. failed .. ya 2 dumb to see how well Albo reads room ... give it up guys its embarrassing,  ya never gonna see government ever again and ya best tell ya messiahs to seriously look at their strategy if they want to last past next election as its looking like total annihilation. Qld already done a reset and looking like theyre gawn next election,  dead in WA dead in SA,  dead in VIc ( you have no chance) minority in Tassie ....  Smiley just give up its not gonna happen , boomers and dementia patients dying off , even the closet homosexual kids to conservative parents not even entertained lnp ... just resign to the fact its not gonna happen,  lnp ... the ' coalition' just arent an attractive prospect  Smiley


I thought their primary - the LNP - was 32.2% - as opposed to Labor's primary of 34.7% - a massive minority government that should not be holding all those seats.

Hang on - let's hit reality for a moment - how did Albo win in 2022:-

                          Labor                 LNP                  Other
Primary vote      4,776,030      5,233,334      1,795,985
Percentage          32.58%          35.70%          12.25%



That graph is pretty telling.
I hadn’t seen those figures and just believed the mainstream media that it was a complete white wash of the liberals.

I wonder how many of these independents are fake and just labor plants?

The LNP Gold Coast council got caught out doing exactly that!


It's a crazy world - I also just thought, probably like most people, that LNP had polled fewer votes - they didn't.  Freediver?  That shows how crazy preference voting is.
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Reply #17 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 10:14pm
 
Won 84 seats outright at last election so must be doing something right Smiley
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Reply #18 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 10:17pm
 
https://results.aec.gov.au/27966/Website/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-27966-NAT.h
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Actual 2022 election results
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Reply #19 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 12:44am
 
LNP never again wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 10:14pm:
Won 84 seats outright at last election so must be doing something right Smiley


After preferences is not outright...

34.7% of the vote cannot give you 84/150 seats outright = 56% unless you are cheating and gerrymandering, and clearly shows the real need for change to more align with the wishes of the electors....

Stolen Election - stolen from the voting public... EVERY TIME!

My apologies - the 2022 figure I posted was related to the seat held by the leader of party.... sneaky ... sorry Daves - I messed that one up ...


In any case - the major parties gain only about a third of votes - therefore should not be gaining a massive government superiority... literally - nobody really wants them - yet they are foisted upon us time after time.

Not matter how you cook it - it is either cheating or a gerrymander - and not the will of the people... if the will of the people was paramount, Labour would have a minority of 52 seats, LNP 46 seats, and Others 52 seats between them ... so a coalition would need to be cobbled together to form a government....

Now - we can continue to dedicate ourselves to forming government by neat little tricks to keep us in power - or we can give full and impartial value to the TRUE vote of the poor!! How say you Members of the Senate?

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Reply #20 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 7:43am
 
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After preferences is not outright...

34.7% of the vote cannot give you 84/150 seats outright


You are sounding like a parrot Grapps. Can you explain why?

If the majority of the voters in an electorate prefer the Labor candidate over the Liberal, well, we live in a democracy, so you know how that works, right?
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Reply #21 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 7:51am
 
Preferential voting delivers superior results to proportional voting (state as one constituency) and first past the post voting.

Look at the mess in Europe.
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Reply #22 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 8:08am
 
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Preferential voting delivers superior results to proportional voting


What makes you think that?
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Reply #23 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 10:32am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2025 at 8:08am:
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What makes you think that?


Look at the mess in Europe.
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Reply #24 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 10:47am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 25th, 2025 at 10:32am:
freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2025 at 8:08am:
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Preferential voting delivers superior results to proportional voting


What makes you think that?


Look at the mess in Europe.


Can you explain your logic here?
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Reply #25 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 10:57am
 
Hmm, a few weeks back I said that I suspected "Labor majority government" might be a reincarnation of juliar. (which was apparently a lame attempt to portray Julia Gillard as a liar).  Roll Eyes

However, unless juliar has done a complete shift from hard right to hard left in politics during the past 5 years then they're obviously not the same person.

It's a pity juliar isn't still here because I would dearly love to see him/her and "Labor majority government" replying to each other in the same thread.

The resulting torrent of stupidity and illogic would be mind boggling. Not to mention hilarious. Grin
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Reply #26 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 5:14pm
 
Ju liar was only here until Labor won then scurried like a coward , I've been here since about 2013 as suppository of wisdom but Lisa got me banned
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Reply #27 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 8:50am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23rd, 2025 at 10:42pm:
I often say to people that I run perilously close to being a 'Trotskyite' - for the simple reason that Trotsky, though an avowed Communist, argued that the People should hold supreme power and vote for their government their way ... and not that the State should hold supreme power - as is the wet dream of every stupid politician on earth..





In March 1918, at a crucial point in the civil war, Lenin appointed Trotsky Commissar for Military Affairs and in that capacity he took draconian measures to reorganise and reinvigorate the Red Army. Deserters were summarily shot on Trotsky’s orders, and other exemplary executions took place. He coerced tsarist officers into his own ranks by taking their families hostage and aimed ‘to run a hot iron down the spine of the Ukrainian kulaks’. As an exponent of repression, Trotsky equalled Stalin, whom he despised as ‘an oafish provincial’ and who in turn, repelled by his rival’s prissy pince-nez and primped goatee, derided him as ‘an operetta commander’. Certainly Trotsky was vain and theatrical, racing around in his armoured train with a film crew, a radio station, a printing press and a band. But he was also an inspired demagogue, a brilliant propagandist and a charismatic leader, who made an incomparable contribution to defeating the Whites. Many thought he would emerge as the Soviet Napoleon; the American Red Cross representative Raymond Robins pronounced him ‘the greatest Jew since Jesus Christ’.

However, Trotsky was no match for Stalin when it came to monopolising power. After Lenin’s death the malign Georgian began to fashion a new kind of tyranny, gradually isolating Trotsky, who famously castigated him as ‘the grave digger of the revolution’. In 1929, Trotsky was expelled from Russia and endured a peripatetic exile until 1937, when he was given asylum in Mexico thanks to the intervention of the communist artist Diego Rivera. By then, Stalin was eliminating any last suspected foes, validating the purge in show trials which supposedly revealed that the USSR was under threat from a monstrous Trotskyite conspiracy. Maybe he believed this and maybe Trotsky did too, imagining that he was still (in Churchill’s phrase) ‘the ogre of Europe’, although he rightly denounced the trials as ‘the greatest frame-up in history’. By the outbreak of the Second World War Stalin was less preoccupied by Hitler than by Trotsky, making his liquidation a principal goal of Soviet foreign policy.
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Reply #28 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 10:10am
 
He's right, Grappler. You're probably more perilously close to being a Fascist.

They're much tougher than the Trotskyites - and the Libs, who as LNP points out, have pretty much given up.

So sad. Just think, the old boy used be one, he just couldn't bring himself to say it.

Liber... Hang on, Lib...

Best to just stick with the Fascists, no?
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