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Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 10:00pm

Liberals arent coming back from a 20% primary , ever . What are they offering , leaving net zero ? What's alternative that voters rejected last election ? They backing jews .. no one cares... they building coal fired power stations ? Tried 22 times .. failed .. ya 2 dumb to see how well Albo reads room ... give it up guys its embarrassing, ya never gonna see government ever again and ya best tell ya messiahs to seriously look at their strategy if they want to last past next election as its looking like total annihilation. Qld already done a reset and looking like theyre gawn next election, dead in WA dead in SA, dead in VIc ( you have no chance) minority in Tassie ....

just give up its not gonna happen , boomers and dementia patients dying off , even the closet homosexual kids to conservative parents not even entertained lnp ... just resign to the fact its not gonna happen, lnp ... the ' coalition' just arent an attractive prospect

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Reply #2 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 11:16am

LNP never again wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 10:00pm:

Liberals arent coming back from a 20% primary , ever . What are they offering , leaving net zero ? What's alternative that voters rejected last election ? They backing jews .. no one cares... they building coal fired power stations ? Tried 22 times .. failed .. ya 2 dumb to see how well Albo reads room ... give it up guys its embarrassing, ya never gonna see government ever again and ya best tell ya messiahs to seriously look at their strategy if they want to last past next election as its looking like total annihilation. Qld already done a reset and looking like theyre gawn next election, dead in WA dead in SA, dead in VIc ( you have no chance) minority in Tassie ....

just give up its not gonna happen , boomers and dementia patients dying off , even the closet homosexual kids to conservative parents not even entertained lnp ... just resign to the fact its not gonna happen, lnp ... the ' coalition' just arent an attractive prospect

I thought their primary - the LNP - was 32.2% - as opposed to Labor's primary of 34.7% - a massive minority government that should not be holding all those seats.

Hang on - let's hit reality for a moment - how did Albo win in 2022:-

Labor LNP Other
Primary vote 4,776,030 5,233,334 1,795,985
Percentage 32.58% 35.70% 12.25%

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Reply #3 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 11:39am

Imagine anyone being stupid enough to even mention dementia when we have modern 'generations' actually believing in cutting off their tits and balls as something 'normal'.... the indoctrinated dementia of the young these days is positively the worst it has ever been.

Imagine if the voting age was lowered to sixteen - jesus god - all those sappy kids running about telling everyone what to do and all those hyped up on their own importance young sheilas imagining they know it all.

Raise the voting age to 25 again... get some sense back into it...

As a side not - if anything does NOT show you that every election here is a Stolen Election - stolen from the people - nothing will.

The People vote one way - the government goes the opposite way.

No wonder Labor imagine they can continue to shove their ludicrous 'voice' and all its diseased parts on us, along with all their other social garbage, despite the overwhelming popular vote. They treat us with contempt like the true Stalinist Fascists they are in reality.

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Reply #4 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 11:51am

Let's do a little digging:-

https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/history-of-parliament/history-miles...

So let me get this right - the People's FIRST preference is meaningless...... the second, third fourth and ad infinitum preference mean more...

So if your chosen candidate doesn't get up - hshe still stands a chance of getting in despite the (gasps) voice of the people... or maybe someone else entirely will get in....

Now - I'm going to have to think through this 'proportional voting' for the Senate...

Anyway - if The People's Choice is or can be voted down in any given electorate........................... what does that tell us about our electoral system, good members of the popular senate?

Noble members of the Senate - are we to continue to build massive glass houses for the unelected by giving them preference voting - or are we to dedicate ourselves to a loftier principle of giving to the voting public the Absolute Democratic Right to dictate who represents them? How say you, Members of the Senate?

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28516 Gender:	Re: Give it up Reply #5 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:24pm If we got rid of preferential voting, Labor would lose the next election for sure.
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Reply #6 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:08pm

Preference voting produces the best result in an election. They have tried to introduce it overseas but generally failed against entrenched opposition from vested interests. They have tried in the UK and it was defeated in a referendum. They have introduced it in various states in the USA. Generally it has been well received and accorded good results. We have had it since early in the 20th century. Basically it means the most popular candidate plus one vote wins the electorate. First past the post voting can result in the least popular candidate winning the electorate if the vote is divided by multiple candidates. Personally I'd prefer the preferential system. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #7 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 3:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:08pm:

Preference voting produces the best result in an election. They have tried to introduce it overseas but generally failed against entrenched opposition from vested interests. They have tried in the UK and it was defeated in a referendum. They have introduced it in various states in the USA. Generally it has been well received and accorded good results. We have had it since early in the 20th century. Basically it means the most popular candidate plus one vote wins the electorate. First past the post voting can result in the least popular candidate winning the electorate if the vote is divided by multiple candidates. Personally I'd prefer the preferential system. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

see here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1755923009/0#3

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Reply #8 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 5:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 3:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:08pm:

Preference voting produces the best result in an election. They have tried to introduce it overseas but generally failed against entrenched opposition from vested interests. They have tried in the UK and it was defeated in a referendum. They have introduced it in various states in the USA. Generally it has been well received and accorded good results. We have had it since early in the 20th century. Basically it means the most popular candidate plus one vote wins the electorate. First past the post voting can result in the least popular candidate winning the electorate if the vote is divided by multiple candidates. Personally I'd prefer the preferential system. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

see here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1755923009/0#3

Immaterial. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3594 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Give it up Reply #9 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 9:01pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:24pm: If we got rid of preferential voting, Labor would lose the next election for sure. And with a Government that the majority of the electorate did not want, democracy would be the loser.
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Reply #10 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 10:42pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 9:01pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:24pm:

If we got rid of preferential voting, Labor would lose the next election for sure.

And with a Government that the majority of the electorate did not want, democracy would be the loser.

That is my problem with our voting system - now the real big problem is how do WE define OUR democracy and how do we ensure it works?

I often say to people that I run perilously close to being a 'Trotskyite' - for the simple reason that Trotsky, though an avowed Communist, argued that the People should hold supreme power and vote for their government their way ... and not that the State should hold supreme power - as is the wet dream of every stupid politician on earth..

My view is that the people should have the total say on their government... not some twisted chicanery of deals and mates over drinks at the Neo-Myparty Club... or even some shady back roomm dealing that organises preferences in exchange for some benefits..... say the Stonehenge Party candidate for Glen Innes gives preferences in exchange for a new railway line all the way to Warwick... like they used to have years ago... an old lady there told me that.... they used to take a day trip to Warwick in Queensland for a day shopping and an outing... must have been fun.

My grandmother grew up in Tenterfield ... her family owned pubs all across Northern New England...

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Reply #11 - Aug 24^th, 2025 at 8:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:08pm:

Preference voting produces the best result in an election. They have tried to introduce it overseas but generally failed against entrenched opposition from vested interests. They have tried in the UK and it was defeated in a referendum. They have introduced it in various states in the USA. Generally it has been well received and accorded good results. We have had it since early in the 20th century. Basically it means the most popular candidate plus one vote wins the electorate. First past the post voting can result in the least popular candidate winning the electorate if the vote is divided by multiple candidates. Personally I'd prefer the preferential system. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

A couple of federal elections ago, the incumbent in a seat (I can't remember which) lost it to an independent. This is despite the incumbent having more votes than the independent. How'd they lose it? On preferences. The independent had set up a complicated system of preferences that saw them win the seat with a fraction of the actual votes. If that isn't screwed up, I don't know what is.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52691 At my desk.	Re: Give it up Reply #12 - Aug 24^th, 2025 at 10:18am Could it be that the majority of voters just didn't like the incumbent? "Put Mr Labor last" is hardly a complicated system of preferences, and you cannot force anyone to do it.
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Reply #13 - Aug 24^th, 2025 at 10:47am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 11:39am:

Imagine anyone being stupid enough to even mention dementia when we have modern 'generations' actually believing in cutting off their tits and balls as something 'normal'....

How many of these modern 'generations' do you think actually believe that?

And nevermind that gender equality and the decriminalising of homosexuality were popular Boomer cultural trends... Free sex... Free love... Nudity from arsehole to breakfast... What did boomers' parents and grandparents think of that? Not too much, I'd bet!

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Reply #14 - Aug 24^th, 2025 at 1:43pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2025 at 8:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:08pm:

Preference voting produces the best result in an election. They have tried to introduce it overseas but generally failed against entrenched opposition from vested interests. They have tried in the UK and it was defeated in a referendum. They have introduced it in various states in the USA. Generally it has been well received and accorded good results. We have had it since early in the 20th century. Basically it means the most popular candidate plus one vote wins the electorate. First past the post voting can result in the least popular candidate winning the electorate if the vote is divided by multiple candidates. Personally I'd prefer the preferential system. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

A couple of federal elections ago, the incumbent in a seat (I can't remember which) lost it to an independent. This is despite the incumbent having more votes than the independent. How'd they lose it? On preferences. The independent had set up a complicated system of preferences that saw them win the seat with a fraction of the actual votes. If that isn't screwed up, I don't know what is.

Democracy ruled. The independent won more votes via preferences, compared to the paltry showing of the incumbent. Simple maths. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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