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Reply #90 - Aug 27th, 2025 at 8:01pm
 
They want more sit down money and a few cases of VB
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Reply #91 - Oct 19th, 2025 at 9:46am
 
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Reply #92 - Oct 19th, 2025 at 11:00am
 
Victoria's last treaty with Aborigines, and Australia's watching on with mirth at the sheer fantasy of the whole thing.  Time to get with the program - your tiny percentage of population will not run the show.

Why should anyone be treated as lords and ladies living off the labour of others who have no such privileges?  And this madness from 'Labor' - 'the party of the people'.... sheer madness.

It's an unlawful agreement within Victoria alone, and can be struck down at the drop of a hat, since it is basically biased, discriminatory, racist, and and outright theft from the majority.

The People will have their voice upheld.
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Reply #93 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 10:08am
 
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Reply #94 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 10:36am
 
Same old same old ...

"On country"
"Community"
"Truth telling" (Only leave out the bits about murderous Blak events)

Followed inevitably by:

"Give us"

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Reply #95 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 1:54pm
 
Aboriginalism is Africa's way of saying "Give us" or else. Angry
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Reply #96 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 2:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 13th, 2025 at 10:08am:

Except they are not Aborigines.  Nor a nation. Nor the 'traditional owners' of anything.



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Reply #97 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 3:29pm
 
For a people who originally said "We don't own the land, we are one with the land". They sure have a contradiction to their current pursuit to own land. Now if the are one with the land like a tree or rock. Then by right, they are owned by those who, by global legalisation, who owns that land.
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Reply #98 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 3:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2025 at 2:40pm:
Except they are not Aborigines. 


So why do you keep crying about aborigines Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #99 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 4:04pm
 
Treaty with First colonisers?  Can't be done.

As for the land grab - all that land long ago passed into consolidated land ownership and is now only available by the same route as everyone else - you can't just say - "Oh, we invaded it first so it must be ours"  these days - you have to buy it since it long ago passed to another entity.
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Reply #100 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 4:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 13th, 2025 at 3:47pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2025 at 2:40pm:
Except they are not Aborigines. 


So why do you keep crying about aborigines Cheesy Cheesy



They CLAIM to be Aborigines to get special treatment and recognition and funding and genuflections.


Why it is wacist if Anglo Australians want to maintain their culture, want recognition and respect for what they achieved on this continent? Why are they instantly labelled white supremacists?

But it's not wacism if people with more Anglo or European or Asian than Aboriginal ancestry, demand and receive respect for simply having a very tenous connection to pre-1788 Aboriginal world.  After all, the benefits that they receive are all entirely created by non-Aborigines. Why are these Aborigines always referred to as 'proud Bunga men and women' rather than black supremacists?

All the other noisy efniks similarly want to have a special place and and recognition and want to maintain their cultures, including all the customs and values that  are totally incompatible with Australian culture, norms, values.
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Reply #101 - Nov 21st, 2025 at 12:19pm
 
Treaty, an Exercise in the Surreal


A 21st-century parliament creates an 18th-century treaty using 19th-century racial categories with people whose forebears did not form nations, own land, or exercise sovereignty

Victoria’s so-called “Treaty Process” is not a treaty in any historical, legal, or anthropological sense. It is a political capitulation to organisations whose members, whatever their claimed descent, do not represent the tiny kin-bands that existed in 1835 when Melbourne was founded, nor the clans of 1788 in New South Wales. The same pattern now unfolds in NSW with its path to treaty. Queensland came within months of signing a treaty before its new government shut the process down, and other states signal they may follow Victoria down the same dark path.

The people now claiming treaty have long been absorbed into British and Australian society. They are neither racially nor culturally continuous with the pre-contact groups of 1788 or 1835, and they inherited no political authority from any Aboriginal society capable of treaty-making. Their modern organisations bear no resemblance to the micro-bands that existed at settlement—groups that possessed no sovereignty, no chiefs, no territorial jurisdiction, and no capacity to bind anyone to a treaty.

If a treaty were possible in Australia, it could only have been made at the moment of first settlement, in 1788 at Sydney Cove or in 1835 on the banks of the Yarra. A treaty cannot be made two centuries later to infer rights that no longer exist, or to resurrect political structures that vanished long before Australia became a nation. Whatever rights indigenous groups now claim, land, citizenship, legal protection, property, wages, infrastructure, hospitals, schools were created by British law, funded by British institutions, and guaranteed by British sovereignty. Modern treaty processes attempt to graft contemporary identity politics onto a period where no treaty-capable polities existed, and then demand retrospective benefits built entirely on British exceptionalism. A treaty cannot be written now for peoples who did not possess sovereignty then, nor can it confer rewards in 2025 for rights that did not exist in 1788 or 1835. Any modern “treaty” is therefore not a historical correction but a political invention.

The modern language of “First Nations,” “sovereign peoples,” and “nation-to-nation agreements” is not truth-telling; it is propaganda invented by activists and embraced uncritically by the political class. It bears no resemblance to the micro-societies that inhabited pre-contact Australia, groups that owned no alienable land, whose territories were surrendered/ceded by the very act of settlement, and who had no political system capable of treaty-making at all.


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Reply #102 - Nov 21st, 2025 at 2:33pm
 
San hunters and gatherers seek political treaty with Khoi herders and Xhosa farmers. All three are swapping roadkill, vegetables and livestock. The politics hasn't progressed far though.
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Reply #103 - Nov 24th, 2025 at 8:21am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 10:34am:


Hardly a real blackfella amongst them.

Lot of pretenders there.

Especially that former Premier scumbag in the front.

Done nothing of value for Victoria - just made it woke & sent it broke, turned it into a terrorist supporting protesting crime haven ...... BYO machetes.
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Reply #104 - Nov 26th, 2025 at 8:00am
 
The Victorian Treaty is evidence of a wider trend where race alone becomes a reason to treat people differently. The argument is that only with different rights can a certain group of people, in this case Indigenous people, ever hope to secure better outcomes.

But better outcomes for whom?

By now we should have seen better outcomes for disadvantaged Indigenous people given that, for more than 40 years, Indigenous policies in various areas – health, education, housing, welfare and child protection – have cemented different rights for or expectations on Indigenous people. Yet on most measures the lives of disadvantaged Indigenous people have not improved.

The people who have done very well indeed from the different rights and expectations model are the activists, academics and other leaders who, from the vantage point of their government-funded jobs, have made careers out of trying to justify difference over the past four or five decades.

In the same way, it is certain that the Victorian Treaty Law will benefit those at the top – Indigenous people who sit on the new Indigenous bodies, spending taxpayer dollars trying to convince others that applying different rules for Indigenous people is a good thing.

The great black American intellectual Thomas Sowell observed once that “when people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination”.



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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/the-hustle-for-special-rights-is-a-h...
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