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Israel-Palestine-The Power & Audacity of Brutality
Aug 22nd, 2025 at 9:46am
 
From the Jewish paramilitaries' brutal audacity in dealing with the British in Mandatory Palestine and with Mandatory Palestine's Arabs...

From Israel's brutal dealings with Palestinians over decades to the Arab world's brutal response over decades...

"People respect the strong... and the strong have to win. The strong can be evil, or they can be good... but you cannot lose. If you lose, nobody will make alliances with you... Nobody will make peace with you. You make peace with the strong; you make alliances with the strong. The strong survive, not only through their guts, but through their wits and their commitment to their cause..." Benjamin Netanyahu on Triggernometry.

Netanyahu summed up the Jewish zeitgeist since militant-extremist Zionism's first actions in the 1940s.
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Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 10:24am
 
It seems Netanyahu is nonplussed that the world's opinion turned as much as it did towards the Palestinian cause...

After all, didn't Israel deliver the more brutal response to Gaza? Haven't Gaza's casualties and destruction been exponentially greater than that inflicted on Israel by Hamas?

Hasn't Israel proved to be the strong and Palestine the weak?

These thoughts seem to plague Netanyahu...

His conclusion appears to be that everyone's weak, but himself and Israel.
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Reply #2 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 10:59am
 
In the tradition of the extremist-Zionists, Israeli leaders appear to be comfortable with their open admission of their uncompromising brutality...

Maybe they have the likes of Menachem Begim to thank for that...

When Stalin's NKVD arrested Begin, they put a confession in front of him to sign that he was a militant Zionist fomenting Jewish dissent in Poland and, as such, he was an enemy of the Bolshevik revolution... Begin agreed, but for one word - confession. Begin insisted that the word be changed to 'admission'.

Now, where did the Arab attitude towards taking responsibility for their brutal response to Zionist/Israeli brutality come from, I wonder.
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Reply #3 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 1:45pm
 
While Israeli leaders usually expend very little energy or political capital denying their extreme, brutal, over-responses to Arab/Muslim attacks, it's not that there's no method behind their open admissions.

Their responses to the world after their actions are always predicated on the memory of the Holocaust...

On this, it's Holocaust all the way down.

The October 23 attack was the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust.

Holocaust survivors' memories, after attacks, are heavily politically promoted.

Israeli leaders, political or civilian, remind the world of 'Never Again', in reference to the Holocaust.

When it's established that any Israeli response is predicated on the suffering of Jews during the Holocaust and that world opinion is muted, or softened, Israeli actions can proceed... untethered from any restraint that may otherwise have been imposed on them.

But who are they directing the Holocaust line at?

Not the Arabs, nor the Middle East, nor Central, nor East Asia, nor anywhere in the Muslim world, whose peoples feel no sense of guilt about the Holocaust...

The Holocaust rhetoric is directed not just at Germans, but at all European nations and European descent nations - the only nations Israelis care about, given that so many are directly descended from European Jews and that all European nations bear some collective responsibility for the Holocaust after nearly 2000 years of Jew-hate.

This would explain Netanyahu's frustration over this tactic having not been as successful in muting European anger over Israel's over-response in Gaza as it would have been less than 20 years ago.
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Reply #4 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 6:24pm
 
"......extreme, brutal, over-responses to Arab/Muslim attacks,..."   Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 6:35pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 6:24pm:
"......extreme, brutal, over-responses to Arab/Muslim attacks,..."   Roll Eyes

Israel has been maintaining a tactic of escalated retaliation since its founding in 1948, and Zionist militants used that policy against the British during the early 40s when equivalent retaliation did not deter the British from arresting, convicting and executing/flogging Zionist terrorists in Mandate Palestine.

Netanyahu recently made his thoughts clear on the matter, that ethical restraints have no place when projecting power.

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Reply #6 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:11pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 9:46am:
"People respect the strong... and the strong have to win. The strong can be evil, or they can be good... but you cannot lose. If you lose, nobody will make alliances with you... Nobody will make peace with you. You make peace with the strong; you make alliances with the strong. The strong survive, not only through their guts, but through their wits and their commitment to their cause..." Benjamin Netanyahu on Triggernometry.


Netanyahu's point here is that people usually tend to believe Israel is right because it is perceived as strong, and Palestine is wrong because it is perceived as weak.

The recent surge in world support for the Palestinian cause is running counter to his gamble.
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Reply #7 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:23pm
 
Netanyahu's explanation for the European and European-descent world leaders turning towards the Palestinian cause is their 'weakness' brought on by pandering to the West's younger generations' not understanding history.

By history, he meant the Holocaust, the evoking of which has always managed to mute or soften Western anger towards Israel's actions against Palestinians.
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Reply #8 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:24pm
 
Meh

Millions more are dying in Yemen, sudan and Syria at the hands of their Muslim brothers.
The IDF are very restrained.
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Reply #9 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:26pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Meh

Millions more are dying in Yemen, sudan and Syria at the hands of their Muslim brothers.
The IDF are very restrained.

Are they?

So, you're saying as long as the IDF stay under civil war levels of violence, they're very restrained.
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Reply #10 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:37pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Meh

Millions more are dying in Yemen, sudan and Syria at the hands of their Muslim brothers.
The IDF are very restrained.

Are they?

So, you're saying as long as the IDF stay under civil war levels of violence, they're very restrained.

 


Extremely restrained.
If you kidnapped my 20 yo daughter, cut her Achilles tendon so she couldn't run, gang raped her., put her in a ute and had civilians abuse her, them starved and killed her,
I Would nuke you.

They are extremely restrained.
In fact , they need to be far more punitive so as to let the punishment serve as a lesson to the original offenders
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Reply #11 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:41pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:37pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Meh

Millions more are dying in Yemen, sudan and Syria at the hands of their Muslim brothers.
The IDF are very restrained.

Are they?

So, you're saying as long as the IDF stay under civil war levels of violence, they're very restrained.

 


Extremely restrained.
If you kidnapped my 20 yo daughter, cut her Achilles tendon so she couldn't run, gang raped her., put her in a ute and had civilians abuse her, them starved and killed her,
I Would nuke you.

They are extremely restrained.
In fact , they need to be far more punitive so as to let the punishment serve as a lesson to the original offenders

Would you nuke the houses in the block I live in, also?
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Reply #12 - Aug 22nd, 2025 at 11:41pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:41pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:37pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 7:24pm:
Meh

Millions more are dying in Yemen, sudan and Syria at the hands of their Muslim brothers.
The IDF are very restrained.

Are they?

So, you're saying as long as the IDF stay under civil war levels of violence, they're very restrained.

 


Extremely restrained.
If you kidnapped my 20 yo daughter, cut her Achilles tendon so she couldn't run, gang raped her., put her in a ute and had civilians abuse her, them starved and killed her,
I Would nuke you.

They are extremely restrained.
In fact , they need to be far more punitive so as to let the punishment serve as a lesson to the original offenders

Would you nuke the houses in the block I live in, also?



If you're all on the same side - there are no innocents...

It's all moot anyway- Israel is preparing the final offensive to take down Hamas' last stronghold... civilians are leaving in advance - they know how this is going to turn out.  Anyone who stays is a combatant or a supporter...

If you knew your block was going to be bombed flat for terrorist activities - would you stay there if you were innocent and didn't delude yourself that your god would get you through it?  More like strained through a sieve afterwards so they could find some DNA remains to bury.

When are you on your way to Gaza?  Need a GoFundMe?
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Reply #13 - Aug 23rd, 2025 at 6:37am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 22nd, 2025 at 11:41pm:
If you're all on the same side - there are no innocents...

It's all moot anyway- Israel is preparing the final offensive to take down Hamas' last stronghold... civilians are leaving in advance - they know how this is going to turn out.  Anyone who stays is a combatant or a supporter...

If you knew your block was going to be bombed flat for terrorist activities - would you stay there if you were innocent and didn't delude yourself that your god would get you through it?  More like strained through a sieve afterwards so they could find some DNA remains to bury.

When are you on your way to Gaza?  Need a GoFundMe?

So, you agree with the killing of civilians, based on your presumption of their guilt.

Are you saying that Israel is preparing for its ‘final solution’ to the Palestinian question?

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Reply #14 - Aug 23rd, 2025 at 6:38am
 
It really is worthwhile listening to Sam Harris on this.
Sam being an extremely honest co.mentator who has built his reputation on truth.

He has phone calls from hamas fighters to their mothers and fathers. Made whilst they were butchering Jewish children.
One child whose face had been blown half off and who is moaning.
His mother and father are ecstatic as he describes the suffering of the child. They applaud him like he has won Olympic gold.

Clearly hamas and with them the majority of gazans have to be removed and Israel has a moral duty to its own citizens to do so . People with that level of hatred have given over to the dark side

I think right thinking Muslims.
The fine men of Saudi, the uae,  Egypt are not helping the gazans for a reason. They understand true evil.

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