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Reply #30 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 6:32am
 
No understanding of the Israel-Palestine conflict is possible without a comprehension of its root cause.

The conflict is not primarily a Jewish-Arab one, but a Jewish-European one.

Jewish cultural roots are Semitic in origin and, as such, have everything in common with all semitic-Arab cultures, including Islamic cultures.

Even the pre-Pauline Jerusalem Community, the foundation of what became Christian culture, is Semitic in its cultural roots and was a direct product of the Semitic Jewish cultures of its day. Its ethos even heavily influenced Islamic theology.

Christian European cultures, on the other hand, stood in direct conflict with Semitic Jewish cultures so vehemently, and very soon after their establishment in the Roman Middle East and Europe, that even the term 'antisemitic' became a misnomer for anti-Jewish that has survived, mostly as a badge of honour, for 2000 years.

It's why no Israeli leader's defence of Israeli actions against its cultural brothers - the Palestinians and Arabs - is complete without a smattering of Holocaust and European pogrom references.

Europeans are the cause of the conflict, not Arab peoples.

The Holocaust is a culmination of European Jew-hate, not an aberration.

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Reply #31 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 8:26am
 
The great schizophrenia within the Israeli mindset is its extreme reluctance to evoke hostility towards European cultures, despite their breeding of historical vehement Jew-hate underpinning the current Israeli-Arab conflict.

Yes, Israeli leaders, 'religiously' refer to historical European Jew-hate every time they speak on the Israeli-Arab conflict, but that is always delivered almost as if it were incidental... almost in passing, with the thrust of their historical fury deflected towards Arabs.

Too many Israelis are ethnically and culturally European for the true driver of their plight to be aired on the international stage.
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Reply #32 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 2:48pm
 
Unique to the Israeli state is the notion of its 'right to exist' and that Jewish people have a right to a homeland.

This right is expressed only in the Israeli context and is not extended to the likes of, say, the Basque people, nor, for that matter, to the Catalans.

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Reply #33 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 3:44pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 2:48pm:
Unique to the Israeli state is the notion of its 'right to exist' and that Jewish people have a right to a homeland.

This right is expressed only in the Israeli context and is not extended to the likes of, say, the Basque people, nor, for that matter, to the Catalans.


More to the point, I've never heard it applied to a Palestinian state nor to the Palestinian people.
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Reply #34 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 3:59pm
 
That's because there is no Palestinian state...

Oh, well - Benny wil soon put Hamas to bed and then what will all the luvvies do?  Whine about mythical stories of Israel rounding up civilians and starving kids etc?

All the news footage of families leaving Gaza City before the final offensive show well-fed people.... fat kids... fat mothers.. padded fathers....

It's all a pack of lies and posturing by some stupid 'woke' countries by dropping supplies that are not even needed - but they sure feed Hamas.

Israel is doing the whole world, including the Muslim world - a huge favour by destroying radical Islamist groups.  the defeated Hamas remnants won't be getting away int Egypt, will they?  The Egyptians will gun them down...

You're next..... if Israel falsl ... as you and your kind are trying to make happen.
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Reply #35 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 4:12pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 3:59pm:
That's because there is no Palestinian state...

The UN says there is...

The Arab states say there is...

Western governments around the world recognise its existence...

Many other non-Western states say there is...

Who's right, secret agent duck?

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Reply #36 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:05pm
 
Miester I think you may have IDS, Israeli derangement syndrome.
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Reply #37 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:29pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:05pm:
Miester I think you may have IDS, Israeli derangement syndrome.

No, you have HIS - historical ignorance syndrome.

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Reply #38 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 11:01pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 4:12pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 3:59pm:
That's because there is no Palestinian state...

The UN says there is...

The Arab states say there is...

Western governments around the world recognise its existence...

Many other non-Western states say there is...

Who's right, secret agent duck?



So why hasn't the UN ratified such a state by a vote of majority of nations?

So what if the Arabs do?

Western nations have not even said where it is and what are its boundaries and so forth - they just do an Albo and give the nod to some mythical state that might exist some day - but nobody knows where yet.  Your back yard sound good?

Non-western nations?  Same deal...

Now which of those nations supporting a Palestine state are we going to sign up for being the site of that 'state'?

Let me give you a hint - NO Arab state ..... NO Western state .... NO non-Western state ... NO UN member state .... so where is it going to be IF it is ever RATIFIED as a nation?  So far there is no nation to recognise - Gaza is a locality not a state and certainly not Palestine.

that help you out of your general confusion?
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Reply #39 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 6:21am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:29pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:05pm:
Miester I think you may have IDS, Israeli derangement syndrome.

No, you have HIS - historical ignorance syndrome.




That's better then hysterical ignorance syndrome
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Reply #40 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 7:33am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 25th, 2025 at 6:21am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:29pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:05pm:
Miester I think you may have IDS, Israeli derangement syndrome.

No, you have HIS - historical ignorance syndrome.




That's better then hysterical ignorance syndrome

Is it?

You're a follower of ancient wisdom.

In Eastern philosophies, the greatest evil is ignorance.

Buddhist enlightenment itself is the liberation from ignorance, so...
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Reply #41 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 7:45am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 11:01pm:
So why hasn't the UN ratified such a state by a vote of majority of nations?


So, no orderly in the whole wide care home will read for you, then.

Which nation-state was the only one of the 15-member UN Security Council to dissent against the 2024 proposal to grant Palestine full membership of the UN?

As of July 2025, approximately 147 UN member states, or over 75%, recognise the State of Palestine as a sovereign nation. France, along with the UK, Australia, and Canada, have recently stated their intention to recognise Palestine at the UN General Assembly in September 2025.
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Reply #42 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 9:01am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 25th, 2025 at 6:21am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:29pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2025 at 5:05pm:
Miester I think you may have IDS, Israeli derangement syndrome.

No, you have HIS - historical ignorance syndrome.




That's better then hysterical ignorance syndrome

Just on that, a few days ago, you were posting atrocity porn and fantasising about what you'd do to me if I mutilated your daughter before raping her...

Hysteria, much?
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Reply #43 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 10:12am
 
What's showing here is how few posters here appear to have ever discussed the Israel-Palestine conflict with Jewish-Israelis.

They may be shocked to learn that they are completely aware of Jewish actions and atrocities committed by militant Zionists and the Israeli state against the British, Arabs and Palestinians.

Jewish-Israelis are aware of the arm-twisting, bribery, blackmailing and threats levelled at the 'United Nations Special Committee on Palestine' member nation-states in 1947, which resulted in UN Resolution 181.

They are aware of India's Jawaharlal Nehru's public outrage at Zionist attempted bribery, and threats made against his sister if India didn't 'vote the right way', to coax him to vote for partition.

However, they see all of it in the broader context of Jewish history and the sustained European attempts, over 2000 years, to exterminate them as a people.
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Reply #44 - Aug 25th, 2025 at 10:43am
 
Nearly all Zionist groups approved of Resolution 181... with notable exceptions, such as Menachem Begin and his Revisionists and Yitzshak Shamir and his Lehi (Stern Gang) - who saw it as too little, too weak - but all saw it as merely a stepping stone towards the creation of Greater Israel, likely through armed struggle, involving genocidal actions if and when all else failed.
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