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Reply #16 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 6:44am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 6:38am:

It really is worthwhile listening to Sam Harris on this.
Sam being an extremely honest co.mentator who has built his reputation on truth.

He has phone calls from hamas fighters to their mothers and fathers. Made whilst they were butchering Jewish children.
One child whose face had been blown half off and who is moaning.
His mother and father are ecstatic as he describes the suffering of the child. They applaud him like he has won Olympic gold.

Clearly hamas and with them the majority of gazans have to be removed and Israel has a moral duty to its own citizens to do so . People with that level of hatred have given over to the dark side

I think right thinking Muslims.
The fine men of Saudi, the uae, Egypt are not helping the gazans for a reason. They understand true evil.

Atrocity porn... You can trawl for Zionist / Israeli atrocities against British soldiers and Arabs as well.

The Saudis, UAE and Egypt are not helping Palestinians because they represent a threat to their authoritarian regimes.

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Reply #17 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 8:34am

Interesting the play to emotions from some who will appeal to a sense of vicarious identification with Israelis, of the "If it were my daughter who was..." kind.

Then advocate for biblical-style scorched-earth actions against all peoples of the same ethnicity as the perpetrators.

Would they agree that, say, the Japanese had the right to level Darwin (or even Townsville, or Brisbane, even), killing every civilian resident who didn't leave, and would have been morally justified in doing so, because Australian soldiers were fighting Japanese soldiers in the Pacific?

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Reply #18 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 12:12pm

They are all my sons and daughters - a concept I doubt you would understand... but sometimes you have to make a choice ... one way or the other... to sow the Central Highlands with radioactive waste to shut down the Ho Chi Minh Trail or to suffer more US and SVN casualties? No decision needed ... like Gazans - they can choose to stay away from the area.... and solve the whole problem....

Many of you 'younger generations' are truly weird....

Do YOU hold the same view towards those who cry daily over the fantasy propaganda child deaths in Gaza?

Despite the lurid pictures in the poster - the story is of a man who discovers that there is a faulty part in aircraft in WW II, which is causing unnecessary deaths - and his fight to have it recognised and FIXED. Sounds mighty familiar to me about many things... I always thought it was about the 'folding wing' of the early Mustangs... which was fixed - believe it - by thickening the covers over the ammunition bays for the .50 cals .... but there was also an issue with oleo legs in landing gear and the infamous magnesium wing spar on B-29s... FCS.. magnesium burns like hell..

Not sure if his son was killed - but it is telling to say 'they are ALL my sons' ...

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Reply #19 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 12:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 6:37am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 11:41pm:

If you're all on the same side - there are no innocents...

It's all moot anyway- Israel is preparing the final offensive to take down Hamas' last stronghold... civilians are leaving in advance - they know how this is going to turn out. Anyone who stays is a combatant or a supporter...

If you knew your block was going to be bombed flat for terrorist activities - would you stay there if you were innocent and didn't delude yourself that your god would get you through it? More like strained through a sieve afterwards so they could find some DNA remains to bury.

When are you on your way to Gaza? Need a GoFundMe?

So, you agree with the killing of civilians, based on your presumption of their guilt.

Are you saying that Israel is preparing for its ‘final solution’ to the Palestinian question?

As above

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Reply #21 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:03pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 12:57pm:

What utter nonsense - there is no 'final solution' in Gaza - there is the final push to oust a wrongful government of total animals.

Grow up.

So, if it's not a final solution, will there be more actions?

But you agree with the killing of civilians, based on your presumption of their guilt, then.

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Reply #22 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:03pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 12:57pm:

What utter nonsense - there is no 'final solution' in Gaza - there is the final push to oust a wrongful government of total animals.

Grow up.

So, if it's not a final solution, will there be more actions?

But you agree with the killing of civilians, based on your presumption of their guilt, then.

Hamas are still holding hostages in Gaza.

Imagine if the SS had American hostages in Berlin in 1945.

Would we just give up on them because the

SS Ministry of health Roll Eyes

said the civilians were hungry .

Too bad , so sad. The hungry civilians can take it up with hamas .

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Reply #23 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:07pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:03pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 12:57pm:

What utter nonsense - there is no 'final solution' in Gaza - there is the final push to oust a wrongful government of total animals.

Grow up.

So, if it's not a final solution, will there be more actions?

But you agree with the killing of civilians, based on your presumption of their guilt, then.

Hamas are still holding hostages in Gaza.

Imagine if the SS had American hostages in Berlin in 1945.

Would we just give up on them because the

SS Ministry of health Roll Eyes

said the civilians were hungry .

Too bad , so sad. The hungry civilians can take it up with hamas .

Do you think an Israeli invasion of Gaza will keep the hostages alive?

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Reply #24 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 9:46am:

"People respect the strong... and the strong have to win. The strong can be evil, or they can be good... but you cannot lose. If you lose, nobody will make alliances with you... Nobody will make peace with you. You make peace with the strong; you make alliances with the strong. The strong survive, not only through their guts, but through their wits and their commitment to their cause..." Benjamin Netanyahu on Triggernometry.

Netanyahu's point here is that people usually tend to believe Israel is right because it is perceived as strong, and Palestine is wrong because it is perceived as weak.

The recent surge in world support for the Palestinian cause is running counter to his gamble.

Interestingly, despite the powerful attraction of 'might is right' for humans, Netanyahu has at last succeeded in bringing 'rule of law' to the fore in international relations, with most countries condemning Israel for its current openly-stated plans to confiscate all of former British Mandate Palestine (which was always the long term goal of Zionists).

Interesting times exposing the commitment of nations to international law....

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Reply #25 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:42pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 2:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 1:03pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 12:57pm:

What utter nonsense - there is no 'final solution' in Gaza - there is the final push to oust a wrongful government of total animals.

Grow up.

So, if it's not a final solution, will there be more actions?

But you agree with the killing of civilians, based on your presumption of their guilt, then.

Hamas are still holding hostages in Gaza.

Imagine if the SS had American hostages in Berlin in 1945.

Would we just give up on them because the

SS Ministry of health Roll Eyes

said the civilians were hungry .

Too bad , so sad. The hungry civilians can take it up with hamas .

Do you think an Israeli invasion of Gaza will keep the hostages alive?

Good question.

Net the war criminal doesn't care one way or the other, he's more interested in saving his own fragile coalition ruled by extremists.

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Reply #26 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 3:08pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 11:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Meh

Millions more are dying in Yemen, sudan and Syria at the hands of their Muslim brothers.
The IDF are very restrained.

Are they?

So, you're saying as long as the IDF stay under civil war levels of violence, they're very restrained.

Extremely restrained.
If you kidnapped my 20 yo daughter, cut her Achilles tendon so she couldn't run, gang raped her., put her in a ute and had civilians abuse her, them starved and killed her,
I Would nuke you.

They are extremely restrained.
In fact , they need to be far more punitive so as to let the punishment serve as a lesson to the original offenders

Would you nuke the houses in the block I live in, also?

If you're all on the same side - there are no innocents...

It's all moot anyway- Israel is preparing the final offensive to take down Hamas' last stronghold... civilians are leaving in advance - they know how this is going to turn out. Anyone who stays is a combatant or a supporter...

If you knew your block was going to be bombed flat for terrorist activities - would you stay there if you were innocent and didn't delude yourself that your god would get you through it? More like strained through a sieve afterwards so they could find some DNA remains to bury.

When are you on your way to Gaza? Need a GoFundMe?

Just shows what happens when 'sovereign citizens' - and sovereign states - take the law into their own hands.

The Arab world has at last accepted Israel's right to exist.
Will you accept UN res 181, with security guaranteed by the UNSC?

Or do you prefer annihilation of entire peoples (...you said "I would nuke you"; but I'm only one individual, not an entire people) as the final solution?

And have Hamas supporters in Gaza got identifying signs on their backs?

What's to stop Hamas from shooting the hostages, and leaving the city while claiming to be ordinary Gazans?

The desire for revenge turns us all into animals, we need to avoid the "scourge of war" (UN Charter) by establishing international law defended by the UNSC.

Meanwhile, the Arab world now acccepts UN res 181.

You?

I can already see the animal bristling with revenge - stuff avoiding war.

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Reply #27 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 5:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:23pm:

Netanyahu's explanation for the European and European-descent world leaders turning towards the Palestinian cause is their 'weakness' brought on by pandering to the West's younger generations' not understanding history.

By history, he meant the Holocaust, the evoking of which has always managed to mute or soften Western anger towards Israel's actions against Palestinians.

And while Netanyahu referred to the Holocaust multiple times, he also referred to the Europeans of the Middle Ages' pogrom against Jews - the so-called 'Blood Libel'.

What his laments about the modern ignorance of history didn't include were the Zionist militants' terrorist actions against the British and Arabs during the British Mandate in Palestine, nor the Israeli actions against Arabs - Ben Gurion's so-called 'strangers' - after 1948.

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Reply #28 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 8:20pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 5:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:23pm:

Netanyahu's explanation for the European and European-descent world leaders turning towards the Palestinian cause is their 'weakness' brought on by pandering to the West's younger generations' not understanding history.

By history, he meant the Holocaust, the evoking of which has always managed to mute or soften Western anger towards Israel's actions against Palestinians.

And while Netanyahu referred to the Holocaust multiple times, he also referred to the Europeans of the Middle Ages' pogrom against Jews - the so-called 'Blood Libel'.

What his laments about the modern ignorance of history didn't include were the Zionist militants' terrorist actions against the British and Arabs during the British Mandate in Palestine, nor the Israeli actions against Arabs - Ben Gurion's so-called 'strangers' - after 1948.

History - how do you justify the vile attacks on Israel and the brutal war that Hamas forced Israel into right now?

Not to worry - it will soon be over for Hamas.. although there will be a few diehards who persist after the final ceasefire, and will need to be expeditiously arrested while resisting...

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Reply #29 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 8:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 11:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Meh

Millions more are dying in Yemen, sudan and Syria at the hands of their Muslim brothers.
The IDF are very restrained.

Are they?

So, you're saying as long as the IDF stay under civil war levels of violence, they're very restrained.

Extremely restrained.
If you kidnapped my 20 yo daughter, cut her Achilles tendon so she couldn't run, gang raped her., put her in a ute and had civilians abuse her, them starved and killed her,
I Would nuke you.

They are extremely restrained.
In fact , they need to be far more punitive so as to let the punishment serve as a lesson to the original offenders

Would you nuke the houses in the block I live in, also?

If you're all on the same side - there are no innocents...

It's all moot anyway- Israel is preparing the final offensive to take down Hamas' last stronghold... civilians are leaving in advance - they know how this is going to turn out. Anyone who stays is a combatant or a supporter...

If you knew your block was going to be bombed flat for terrorist activities - would you stay there if you were innocent and didn't delude yourself that your god would get you through it? More like strained through a sieve afterwards so they could find some DNA remains to bury.

When are you on your way to Gaza? Need a GoFundMe?

Just shows what happens when 'sovereign citizens' - and sovereign states - take the law into their own hands.

The Arab world has at last accepted Israel's right to exist.
Will you accept UN res 181, with security guaranteed by the UNSC?

Or do you prefer annihilation of entire peoples (...you said "I would nuke you"; but I'm only one individual, not an entire people) as the final solution?

And have Hamas supporters in Gaza got identifying signs on their backs?

What's to stop Hamas from shooting the hostages, and leaving the city while claiming to be ordinary Gazans?

The desire for revenge turns us all into animals, we need to avoid the "scourge of war" (UN Charter) by establishing international law defended by the UNSC.

Meanwhile, the Arab world now acccepts UN res 181.

You?

I can already see the animal bristling with revenge - stuff avoiding war.

No good quoting that to me - I said nothing about nuking the bastards - but now that you mention it - touch my grand-daughters or grandson and you wil not need to attend a gender clinic.

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