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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146621 Gender:	Re: “We need violence" Reply #15 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:43pm Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:40pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 3:18pm: Goalpost change much? Unable to face reality much? Here's reality. The right-wing organiser said this: “We need violence, I’m sorry, but we need fking violence.” Why do you like violence so much?
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Reply #16 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 3:20pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:53pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:16pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm:

"A group of radical left-wing groups in Melbourne have vowed to “stamp out” controversial anti-immigration rallies planned for August 31, raising fears of violence ahead of the nationwide events that already have police in capital cities on alert."

Why is it always the same breed of people who immediately default to playing the victim?

We're dealing with a pack of right-wing, self-proclaimed white supremacists, openly marching to promote racism. The organiser of their little rally has been exposed in leaked audio flat-out saying "we need violence". Their intent could not be clearer, they want violence.

And you're lining up to defend them? What?!

Yet somehow, when their opposition says this racist nonsense needs to be stamped out, you twist that into proof the left are the real aggressors calling for violence?

The same left who are literally standing against those calling for violence.

By your logic, when Scott Morrison vowed to "stamp out bullying" of women MPs in his own party, he was actually advocating violence against them too? Is that honestly the argument you want to run with?

You seem to have had no problem with the racists for Gaza march the other day, displaying terrorist symbols and calling for the death of Israelis and involving known terrorist advocates and terrorist organisation members. Now decent Australians have had enough and want their own march you bitch and moan and scream RACIST!!, totally ignoring the obvious call to violence in the statement by the anti Australian leftists who are proposing their own demonstration designed to conflict with the Australians. Roll Eyes

Again, you need to work on your comprehension skills.

The left aren't calling for violence - they're simply giving a warning that it's coming (from the right).

The right-wing organiser is the one quite clearly, in plain English, promoting violence.

These are her exact words:

“We need violence, I’m sorry, but we need f**king violence.”

"A group of radical left-wing groups in Melbourne have vowed to “stamp out” controversial anti-immigration rallies planned for August 31, raising fears of violence"

The left wing is in their own words, clearly promoting violence

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Re: “We need violence"
Reply #17 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:47pm

mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 3:55pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:53pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:16pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm:

"A group of radical left-wing groups in Melbourne have vowed to “stamp out” controversial anti-immigration rallies planned for August 31, raising fears of violence ahead of the nationwide events that already have police in capital cities on alert."

Why is it always the same breed of people who immediately default to playing the victim?

We're dealing with a pack of right-wing, self-proclaimed white supremacists, openly marching to promote racism. The organiser of their little rally has been exposed in leaked audio flat-out saying "we need violence". Their intent could not be clearer, they want violence.

And you're lining up to defend them? What?!

Yet somehow, when their opposition says this racist nonsense needs to be stamped out, you twist that into proof the left are the real aggressors calling for violence?

The same left who are literally standing against those calling for violence.

By your logic, when Scott Morrison vowed to "stamp out bullying" of women MPs in his own party, he was actually advocating violence against them too? Is that honestly the argument you want to run with?

You seem to have had no problem with the racists for Gaza march the other day, displaying terrorist symbols and calling for the death of Israelis and involving known terrorist advocates and terrorist organisation members. Now decent Australians have had enough and want their own march you bitch and moan and scream RACIST!!, totally ignoring the obvious call to violence in the statement by the anti Australian leftists who are proposing their own demonstration designed to conflict with the Australians. Roll Eyes

The overwhelming majority of those protestors support no terrorist organisations, displayed no such symbols and are the abolute furtherst form racist that a person can be. Sure there were some angrier folk there but that's to be expected at any such event.

For instance, the organiser of the event Greg has brought to our attention by white supremacists you call "decent people" is demanding violence. They are saying we "need" violence.

What do you think of that, Belgarion?

I think you are living in a fantasy land. The symbols and chants were there on display for all to see and the background of many of the participants has been all over the news.

As for the woman in the OP, in your own words : "Sure there were some angrier folk there but that's to be expected at any such event."

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Re: “We need violence"
Reply #18 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:49pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 3:20pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:53pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:16pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm:

"A group of radical left-wing groups in Melbourne have vowed to “stamp out” controversial anti-immigration rallies planned for August 31, raising fears of violence ahead of the nationwide events that already have police in capital cities on alert."

Why is it always the same breed of people who immediately default to playing the victim?

We're dealing with a pack of right-wing, self-proclaimed white supremacists, openly marching to promote racism. The organiser of their little rally has been exposed in leaked audio flat-out saying "we need violence". Their intent could not be clearer, they want violence.

And you're lining up to defend them? What?!

Yet somehow, when their opposition says this racist nonsense needs to be stamped out, you twist that into proof the left are the real aggressors calling for violence?

The same left who are literally standing against those calling for violence.

By your logic, when Scott Morrison vowed to "stamp out bullying" of women MPs in his own party, he was actually advocating violence against them too? Is that honestly the argument you want to run with?

You seem to have had no problem with the racists for Gaza march the other day, displaying terrorist symbols and calling for the death of Israelis and involving known terrorist advocates and terrorist organisation members. Now decent Australians have had enough and want their own march you bitch and moan and scream RACIST!!, totally ignoring the obvious call to violence in the statement by the anti Australian leftists who are proposing their own demonstration designed to conflict with the Australians. Roll Eyes

Again, you need to work on your comprehension skills.

The left aren't calling for violence - they're simply giving a warning that it's coming (from the right).

The right-wing organiser is the one quite clearly, in plain English, promoting violence.

These are her exact words:

“We need violence, I’m sorry, but we need f**king violence.”

"A group of radical left-wing groups in Melbourne have vowed to “stamp out” controversial anti-immigration rallies planned for August 31, raising fears of violence"

The left wing is in their own words, clearly promoting violence

No.

You have English comprehension issues.

The left aren't promoting violence - they're simply giving a warning that it's coming (from the right).

The right-wing organiser is the one quite clearly, in plain English, promoting violence.

These are her exact words:

“We need violence, I’m sorry, but we need f**king violence.”

Why do you love violence so much?

Are you a violent person yourself?

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Re: “We need violence"
Reply #19 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:57pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 3:55pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:53pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:16pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm:

"A group of radical left-wing groups in Melbourne have vowed to “stamp out” controversial anti-immigration rallies planned for August 31, raising fears of violence ahead of the nationwide events that already have police in capital cities on alert."

Why is it always the same breed of people who immediately default to playing the victim?

We're dealing with a pack of right-wing, self-proclaimed white supremacists, openly marching to promote racism. The organiser of their little rally has been exposed in leaked audio flat-out saying "we need violence". Their intent could not be clearer, they want violence.

And you're lining up to defend them? What?!

Yet somehow, when their opposition says this racist nonsense needs to be stamped out, you twist that into proof the left are the real aggressors calling for violence?

The same left who are literally standing against those calling for violence.

By your logic, when Scott Morrison vowed to "stamp out bullying" of women MPs in his own party, he was actually advocating violence against them too? Is that honestly the argument you want to run with?

You seem to have had no problem with the racists for Gaza march the other day, displaying terrorist symbols and calling for the death of Israelis and involving known terrorist advocates and terrorist organisation members. Now decent Australians have had enough and want their own march you bitch and moan and scream RACIST!!, totally ignoring the obvious call to violence in the statement by the anti Australian leftists who are proposing their own demonstration designed to conflict with the Australians. Roll Eyes

The overwhelming majority of those protestors support no terrorist organisations, displayed no such symbols and are the abolute furtherst form racist that a person can be. Sure there were some angrier folk there but that's to be expected at any such event.

For instance, the organiser of the event Greg has brought to our attention by white supremacists you call "decent people" is demanding violence. They are saying we "need" violence.

What do you think of that, Belgarion?

I think you are living in a fantasy land. The symbols and chants were there on display for all to see and the background of many of the participants has been all over the news.

As for the woman in the OP, in your own words : "Sure there were some angrier folk there but that's to be expected at any such event."

Ummm, she's the organiser! I think that's kind of important to the fact.

But are you really arguing that some white supremacists are really decent people? You already said so once but i'm giving you an opportunity to clarify.

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Reply #20 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:03pm

mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 3:55pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:53pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:16pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm:

"A group of radical left-wing groups in Melbourne have vowed to “stamp out” controversial anti-immigration rallies planned for August 31, raising fears of violence ahead of the nationwide events that already have police in capital cities on alert."

Why is it always the same breed of people who immediately default to playing the victim?

We're dealing with a pack of right-wing, self-proclaimed white supremacists, openly marching to promote racism. The organiser of their little rally has been exposed in leaked audio flat-out saying "we need violence". Their intent could not be clearer, they want violence.

And you're lining up to defend them? What?!

Yet somehow, when their opposition says this racist nonsense needs to be stamped out, you twist that into proof the left are the real aggressors calling for violence?

The same left who are literally standing against those calling for violence.

By your logic, when Scott Morrison vowed to "stamp out bullying" of women MPs in his own party, he was actually advocating violence against them too? Is that honestly the argument you want to run with?

You seem to have had no problem with the racists for Gaza march the other day, displaying terrorist symbols and calling for the death of Israelis and involving known terrorist advocates and terrorist organisation members. Now decent Australians have had enough and want their own march you bitch and moan and scream RACIST!!, totally ignoring the obvious call to violence in the statement by the anti Australian leftists who are proposing their own demonstration designed to conflict with the Australians. Roll Eyes

The overwhelming majority of those protestors support no terrorist organisations, displayed no such symbols and are the abolute furtherst form racist that a person can be. Sure there were some angrier folk there but that's to be expected at any such event.

For instance, the organiser of the event Greg has brought to our attention by white supremacists you call "decent people" is demanding violence. They are saying we "need" violence.

What do you think of that, Belgarion?

I think you are living in a fantasy land. The symbols and chants were there on display for all to see and the background of many of the participants has been all over the news.

As for the woman in the OP, in your own words : "Sure there were some angrier folk there but that's to be expected at any such event."

Ummm, she's the organiser! I think that's kind of important to the fact.

But are you really arguing that some white supremacists are really decent people? You already said so once but i'm giving you an opportunity to clarify.

This'll be good.

All it requires is a simple, one word, yes or no answer.

Let's see what Bel thinks Undecided

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36239 Gender:	Re: “We need violence" Reply #21 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:06pm Oh, he's gone. Logged off.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146621 Gender:	Re: “We need violence" Reply #22 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:08pm mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:06pm: Oh, he's gone. Logged off. Ah.
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5900 Gender:	Re: “We need violence" Reply #23 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:22pm mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:06pm: Oh, he's gone. Logged off. I am back after attending to my life away from this sheltered workshop for leftist retards, and my next question that you will no doubt fail to answer, is why do you think the woman is a white supremacist?
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Reply #24 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:32pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:22pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:06pm:

Oh, he's gone. Logged off.

I am back after attending to my life away from this sheltered workshop for leftist retards, and my next question that you will no doubt fail to answer, is why do you think the woman is a white supremacist?

You think she's protesting Scandinavian immigrants?

Not really a long bow t draw now is it.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36239 Gender:	Re: “We need violence" Reply #25 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:38pm Unsurprising deflection. Wasn't a comfortable question was it, Belgarion.
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Reply #26 - Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 7:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 3:55pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:53pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 2:16pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm:

"A group of radical left-wing groups in Melbourne have vowed to “stamp out” controversial anti-immigration rallies planned for August 31, raising fears of violence ahead of the nationwide events that already have police in capital cities on alert."

Why is it always the same breed of people who immediately default to playing the victim?

We're dealing with a pack of right-wing, self-proclaimed white supremacists, openly marching to promote racism. The organiser of their little rally has been exposed in leaked audio flat-out saying "we need violence". Their intent could not be clearer, they want violence.

And you're lining up to defend them? What?!

Yet somehow, when their opposition says this racist nonsense needs to be stamped out, you twist that into proof the left are the real aggressors calling for violence?

The same left who are literally standing against those calling for violence.

By your logic, when Scott Morrison vowed to "stamp out bullying" of women MPs in his own party, he was actually advocating violence against them too? Is that honestly the argument you want to run with?

You seem to have had no problem with the racists for Gaza march the other day, displaying terrorist symbols and calling for the death of Israelis and involving known terrorist advocates and terrorist organisation members. Now decent Australians have had enough and want their own march you bitch and moan and scream RACIST!!, totally ignoring the obvious call to violence in the statement by the anti Australian leftists who are proposing their own demonstration designed to conflict with the Australians. Roll Eyes

The overwhelming majority of those protestors support no terrorist organisations, displayed no such symbols and are the abolute furtherst form racist that a person can be. Sure there were some angrier folk there but that's to be expected at any such event.

For instance, the organiser of the event Greg has brought to our attention by white supremacists you call "decent people" is demanding violence. They are saying we "need" violence.

What do you think of that, Belgarion?

I think you are living in a fantasy land. The symbols and chants were there on display for all to see and the background of many of the participants has been all over the news.

As for the woman in the OP, in your own words : "Sure there were some angrier folk there but that's to be expected at any such event."

Ummm, she's the organiser! I think that's kind of important to the fact.

But are you really arguing that some white supremacists are really decent people? You already said so once but i'm giving you an opportunity to clarify.

This'll be good.

All it requires is a simple, one word, yes or no answer.

Let's see what Bel thinks Undecided

Yes or no, Bel?

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Re: “We need violence"
Reply #27 - Aug 23^rd, 2025 at 7:27am

Belgarion wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2025 at 3:18pm:

Goalpost change much?

Unable to face reality much? Roll Eyes

It's off topic.

If some people were chanting "death to Israel" or waving terrorist symbols, then yes, they should be condemned.

But was that everyone in the march? No.

Do I support the idea that innocent civilians, especially children, shouldn't be killed in Gaza? Of course. Any reasonable person does.

Do I twist that into an excuse for open white supremacy just because "why not"? No.

And none of that changes the fact that the organisers of what you're trying to pass off as a "counter march" to an anti-war protest were explicitly calling for violence, saying they "need it".

So the real question is this: why are you standing shoulder to shoulder with white supremacist groups, trying to sanitise them, and pretending their anti-immigration rallies are somehow on the same moral ground as marches demanding an end to the war in Gaza?

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36239 Gender:	Re: “We need violence" Reply #28 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 9:37am Wowsers, Belgarion really didn't want to answer the question, did he.
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Reply #29 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 6:45pm

It is NOT 'white supremacist' to want to limit immigration from anywhere.
Nor is it 'white supremacist' to want to limit it from coutries whose people are harder to assimilate/refuse to assimilate. And yes, assimilation is good aim and is not 'white supremacist'.

In Oman the Shura Council has decreed that the migrant class can be no more than a third of the total population. If you'd propose the same law for Australia, Europe or America it would be called, of course, totally white supremacist. But Omanis are brown. So .... er.... OH!! LOOKOVER THERE!

https://web.archive.org/web/20171031144453/http://gulfmigration.eu/media/pubs/ex...

The Uniparty in Australia and Europe are as crap as each other on large scale unassimilating third world immigration and its flow on pathologies. There is no good argument for such mass migration from ANY source, let alone from alien/hostile cultures.

There has been a total failure by the Uniparty to respond to electoral, democratic pressure on immigration. So it is no wonder that people are talking about bringing non-electoral pressure to bear. You cannot repress people for ever, the pressure will erupt somewhere. It is bound to.You can't PR 'manage' the increasing pathologies of mass third world immigration.

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