During the ten years before Israeli statehood, there were deep ideological divisions within the Zionist movement.

The was Ben Gurion and the Jewish Agency, who worked with the British to peacefully establish Jewish enclaves in Palestine through negotiation with the Arabs... then there were the paramilitary groups who favoured the creation of an Israeli state by armed force.

These divisions were so serious that they could have triggered civil war among Jews living in Palestine, which would probably have spread to the Jewish diaspora.

To avoid open, publicly-aired Zionist divisions during the Zionist paramilitary's terror campaign in Palestine, Menachem Begin, ever the consummate leader, took full personal responsibility for all acts of terrorism by all Zionist paramilitary groups, which prompted the British to put a 10,000-pound bounty on his head - dead or alive - and tried to hunt him down.

Belgarion wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 10:44am:
Ignorance of Jewish actions before 1948 to make sweeping generalisations on the Arab reaction to it.

Elizabeth II vowed never to step foot in Israel as she never forgave Zionist paramilitary terrorism against Arabs and personnel of the British Mandate in Palestine.

British senior ministers were sent letter bombs from Zionist paramilitaries, which were only discovered in time when one was making a hissing sound, prompting a secretary to put it in a bucket of water and contact the police.

Anthony Eden avoided having his head blown off when he had received his package early, but, assuming it was cabinet papers, decided to read them over the weekend... enough time for MI5 to warn him and all ministers not to open any packages they'd received

I already know this as I have read quite a lot about the history of the Middle East and other places over the years. However the the only reason you are bringing it up now is as some sort of moral relativism to excuse the actions of Islamic terrorists today and demonise todays IDF. 

Belgarion wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 11:16am:

I am bringing it up to provide context and balance to an argument that is deeply one-sided here and on other sites.

The road to the creation of Israel as a state was a long and bloody one... how could it not have been?

Should Israel remain as a state? Of course it should... Europeans can not be trusted to leave Jews in peace...

As Begin said, Never again should Jews be forced to suffer persecution at the hands of any people. Never again should they be forced to bow their heads in shame when mocked, ridiculed and beaten by their so-called European countrymen.  Never again.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 11:05am:




Did the Zionists ever go to an English music festival. Kidnap 1500 young people. Cut the Achilles tendon of the young female attendees. Pack rape them and then shelter underground in Jerusalem refusing to let civilians take shelter in their tunnels ?

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 6:32am:


Your error: David conquered Jerusalem from a Canaanite tribe called the Jebusites.....

Back to the present: the "Chosen People" with their "Promised Land" ideology are revealing the ugliness of their ideology now, through the voices of the RW fundamentalists in Net's government who are determined to confiscate the WB.

The Oz government is correct to ban entry into Oz for such pernicious ideologues, who are blindly bleating about 'antisemitism'.....

Meanwhile the US with its "in God* we trust" motto, is standing by while these Jewish goons are engaged in ethic cleansing of land which belings to Palestinians, as per UN res 181.

*Trump's base in the US of course conflates Christ with Jehovah*, so Trump is giving the IDF free rein in Palestine....surely the Nobel committee won't be pleased, even if Trump manages to stop the war in Ukraine.

*Marcion faced that problem at the beginning of Christianity in the 1st century CE, and excised the OT from early Christian scripture which was however later reincorporated alongside the evolving NT, to form the Christian Bible.

Hence Moses' genocidal instincts are destroying peace in our world again. 

What is inexplicable was that, after Israeli statehood in 1948, the Zionist paramilitaries and later the Israeli IDF were unconcerned that their attacks on Palestinians or their infighting, was being witnessed not only by the world's media, but by foreign diplomats, as with the Altalena Affair, for example, when Begin attempted to smuggle arms and paramilitary personnel into Israel to carry on the attacks against Arabs without Ben Gurion's authority.

The entire affair played out on Tel Aviv beach, in front of the world's media and foreign diplomats.

Begin wanted the Zionist paramilitaries to be a separate wing of the IDF, which Ben Gurion suspected Begin would use as his own private army to stage a military coup and overthrow the government.

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 1:49pm:

Interesting how even Israeli archeologists accept that Moses likely did not exist. That likely 400 years of bondage in Egypt didn't happen.

No one can even agree where Mount Zion was.