It's evolved from just "random" incidents. It's becoming more organized and thus the "authorities" are growing concerned-

"Sheriffs serving
When SPAWA's court or grand jury delivers a judgment, it is the duty of their common law sheriffs to serve the resulting orders to the relevant parties.

With clipboard and documents in hand a group of sheriffs approach the offices of Western Australia's land titles authority, Landgate. The documents concern mortgages held by farmers.

Two women and a man walk on a footpath wearing a uniform and holding papers and a clipboard.
SPAWA sheriffs prepare to serve orders at WA's land titles authority. (Four Corners: Mark Hiney)

"We've had up to 40 or 50 jurors vote unanimously on these orders around Australia," Donna Hopkinson says.

When asked about the outcomes she hopes to achieve, she says: "Farmers get their farms back."

Some time later, Donna emerges smiling. Landgate took the documents.

"Just taking them and accepting them and having them lodged and put on file I think is a good win.""


" ABC   

I believe it's a direction people are taking due to the near total distrust of our politicians.

The COVID lockdowns were the last straw for many people.

The inability of government to govern for the people rather than for themselves is being called out at a very grass roots level and support seems to be growing.

The politicians and judges and no doubt religious leaders are mortified that their total control is being challenged.

mothra wrote on Aug 20^th, 2025 at 10:48am:


I’ve ignored him and his issues for a while now, only to cross paths again today and it’s clear nothing has changed.

His insecurities still drive him to punch down on women, trans people, and, out of nowhere, Indigenous Australians, as if lashing out at others will somehow soothe the trauma of his own inadequacies.

Why bother with self-reflection or personal growth when it’s easier to try and drag others down, convincing yourself you’re superior without having to put in the work.

It’s ignorance wrapped in laziness, the kind of pitiful self-preservation masquerading as strength.

Same old same old...

** dreams of the day when Australia has its own gulags .... interesting idea you lot have there - bit different from the Abo-demanded Homeland and the NEED for a deep prison for the deep criminals etc... but don't let that stand in the way of your mindless argument and punching down on whartey - where would YOU put these gulags YOU whne about constantly - I only discuss a viable Two State Solution in accordance with Abo demands, and the housing of criminals .... I offer them their own totally owned Homeland to do as they choose without us ... and offer a fine criminal institution for the really bad ones... and you all go off the rails again ... must be brain damage from the number of times Abos have beaten you up forcing you to make peace with them or fight, and the number of times Measters and Africaaners have home invaded you and traumatised your kids with machetes or guns or knives or something ... has to be some reason for the mental confusion you carry**

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 20^th, 2025 at 3:59pm:


Sure triggered you and mothra - thanks for the laugh.... now toddle off - the adults are holding a serious discussion of what this phenomenon is all about - and if you have nothing to add to the conversation - don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Now then - where were we - oh yes - these 'sovereign citizens' (and I include Abo activists, creeps,  and all other rat racers in that) are expressing the winter of their discontent about the way they see our society, culture and country going - to find some 'path for their valour' ... some rock to which they can cling in the raging storms of modern life ... somewhere they can say they ARE something .... and have - like mothra and skanka - failed to actually think it through and see that the solutions lie not in perpetuating open warfare with the rest of society  ...... but in 'warring' legitimately against the ruling elite cliques who are destroying all of those thing .... our society, culture and country.... using the electoral and political processes (the twain shall never meet until we force it on them).

It's clear to me that some here, lacking the intellectual capacity, are only here to try to disrupt discussion of real issues - almost as if they are paid employees of the current entrenched disruptors... elected and otherwise...... the Old Guard trying desperately to hold back the needed tides of REAL change (the lack of which is what is driving these 'sovereign citizens' to their position) ....and either not realising they are the REAL 'conservatives' desperately holding on to a lost past, or they know it and are intent on their own supremacy and that of their kind.

Like Albo - lunatics which ever way you see it.

Snide note:-  Ah - I see you are a poof trying out that old worn-out line.. how very neo-conservative in reality of you.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 20^th, 2025 at 6:09pm:


But hey - that's only my opinion - last time I looked we were still entitled to our opinion... or would you rather cut that out as well?  Oooh - you cunning New Nazis... you are so sneaky - surely nobody can keep up with you in your demands that 'your way' be the only way.... delusional behaviour that... if your kind don black suits and masks and hoodies and march against defenceless women and girls - that's OK by you... how DARE they oppose your right to invade their toilets, dressing rooms and sports and everything else at your whim?  And if you march in the same laughable costume for BLM or Antifa and black 'rights' and Hamas .. what are we, the normal people, supposed to do?  Run and hide from assholes like you?

Bait laid, assholes - come on in ...... hope the REAL Neo-Nazis get you one day.....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 5:05pm:


There is no informed consent (ignorance and blind ideology - eg Murdoch's 'The Australian' - is too widespread) , and how is government via elections by (close to) 50%+1 fair?

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You mean - entitled to break the law enacted by the elected government....which is an illegal act.

Eg, in the UK, I loathe the British law which criminalizes  peaceful pro palestine protests, but the remedy is to change the law.   Jeremy Corbyn is starting a new party to do just that.  A bigger problem is rogue states like the US and Israel who defy international law on the basis of mythological OT Mosaic law).

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Government - and sovereign law -  is required to avoid anarchy among self-interested individuals.  

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Your error: goverment is necessary to implement rule of law, (from Magna Carta on),  and the machinery required to defend the law.  See above for means to change specific laws you object to: but sovereignty of law is a necessary  principal to avoid anarchy and imposition of 'might is right'.

Note: anarachy rules in the international arena, because there is no machinery to implement  international law.

[Hopefully Putin will agree to end the war if Zelensky agrees to give up majority Russian-speaking provinces of Ukraine, in return for US security guarantees...thus  skirting around the lack of internationa law. But Palestinians in Gaza are in danger of ethnic cleansing because the US believes  in the genocide-authorizing OT Jewish god].

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Yes, except that the term 'personal sovereignty' is an obfuscation of the proper term which is 'personal preferences'.  And you are still erroneously conflating "individuals" with "all individuals" ; if everyone agrees a specific law is oppressive, they will change the government next election (in a democracy).


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As noted above, any individual may choose to express his preference; but rule of law is indeed paramount to avoid anarchy among self-interested individuals.

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Hey, I'm the one pointing to the idiocy of government elected by (close to) 50%+1,  (the"worst form of government", said Churchill) as determined in Oz by our '2-party preferred' system ie Labor plus non-Coalition voters who added up to 65.3 %. [The UK's  '1st past the post' system  is even worse, hence Starmer's "massive" election victory is evaporating fast as Reeves is attempting to 'balance the budget'...].

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No it doesn't, as explained above: democratic elections are largely a sham in practice.   

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The contradictions of elections (close to) 50%+1 examined above; and you continue to conflate "the people" with (close to) 50%+1. 

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The "war" is actually between self-interested individuals who have relunctanly understood they must all accept rule of law to avoid anarchy. Do try to keep up. 

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....biting my tongue: not only are  individuals self-intereted before they are altruistic, they possess  different world views (ideologies).

And yet graps still believes in 'sovereign citizens'.   

I was interested in Peccary's reasons for saying all 'sovereign citizens' are crazy...

Greg??  ARE they crazy in their own right - and why - or are they just another manifestation of the growing 'need' for so many to secure some 'place in the sun' in this modern age - by finding some oddball social creation to travel with?

If it is the latter - why do you think this is so?  WHY are so very many striving for a 'place in the sun' in our 'rich' and 'pampered' society by securing a lease on some oddball identity?