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Reply #45 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 6:09pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 5:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 5:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 4:50pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 3:33pm:

I ask, do we the people, vote for the right thing to be done by us, to believe their pre-election promises of which many would turn out to be false?
Do we vote to be screwed over with extra taxes we didn’t want?
Do we?

You vote, you vote. You do that, and you go home, have a cup of tea, turn on the TV to wait to see how many agree with you.

If you are in the minority, better luck next time, or rev out that military in your back yard and start shooting.

Declaring that back yard as a sovereign state will get you SFA.

And it's interesting how they exercise their 'sovereign rights'... by refusing to pay bills, or get a driver's licence, or pay fines, or pay rates...

They use Australian roads, but... take advantage of sewerage systems when they take a sh!t, are happy when water comes out of a tap, when they turn a switch, a light comes on...

If they were assaulted, would they call the cops?

Indeed.

But, I'd at least acknowledge any bastard who just went off grid, stayed on his own turf, and was completely self sufficient therein.....utterly totally self sufficient for the whole works and jerks.

Would you be OK with him if he sold meth to kids and ran guns out of his off-grid property?

Nope........he stays in his sand pit.

But... but... but... he done be a genuine sovereign citizen! Them laws don't apply!

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Reply #46 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 6:30pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 5:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 5:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 4:50pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 3:33pm:

I ask, do we the people, vote for the right thing to be done by us, to believe their pre-election promises of which many would turn out to be false?
Do we vote to be screwed over with extra taxes we didn’t want?
Do we?

You vote, you vote. You do that, and you go home, have a cup of tea, turn on the TV to wait to see how many agree with you.

If you are in the minority, better luck next time, or rev out that military in your back yard and start shooting.

Declaring that back yard as a sovereign state will get you SFA.

And it's interesting how they exercise their 'sovereign rights'... by refusing to pay bills, or get a driver's licence, or pay fines, or pay rates...

They use Australian roads, but... take advantage of sewerage systems when they take a sh!t, are happy when water comes out of a tap, when they turn a switch, a light comes on...

If they were assaulted, would they call the cops?

Indeed.

But, I'd at least acknowledge any bastard who just went off grid, stayed on his own turf, and was completely self sufficient therein.....utterly totally self sufficient for the whole works and jerks.

Would you be OK with him if he sold meth to kids and ran guns out of his off-grid property?

Nope........he stays in his sand pit.

As a sovereign individual - he would therefore be fair game for any aggrieved person... as such that individual declared war on this nation - war of drugs backed by firearms... one shot - one kill...

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146017 Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizenship? Reply #47 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:00pm I sincerely hope that these people get the mental health care they need. For their sake, and for ours. These are very, very, very ill people.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88698 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizenship? Reply #48 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:00pm: I sincerely hope that these people get the mental health care they need. For their sake, and for ours. These are very, very, very ill people. That's what they say about all freedom fighters!
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Reply #49 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:19pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:00pm:

I sincerely hope that these people get the mental health care they need.

For their sake, and for ours.

These are very, very, very ill people.

That's what they say about all freedom fighters!

They're not freedom fighters.

They're very confused, ignorant people with severe mental health issues.

They need help.

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Reply #50 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 9:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:19pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:00pm:

I sincerely hope that these people get the mental health care they need.

For their sake, and for ours.

These are very, very, very ill people.

That's what they say about all freedom fighters!

They're not freedom fighters.

They're very confused, ignorant people with severe mental health issues.

They need help.

Lot of that going around - you don't object to those though!!

My position is that they have a point - not a very strong one, but a point - and it is a reflection of the deep underlying unease about the direction of the Country and of the West at this time.

Like blokes who reckon they'd be better off getting the privileges of being sheilas, these kinds are simply looking for a rock to base their person on... a quest for their own space.... something to stand for .... some path for their valour like dorks who support Hamas and stuff ... somewhere to be what Tracey Chapman said - to BE someone...

So they stand on a forlorn rock in the midst of the raging seas (sic) and say 'upon this rock I stand - and at least I stand somewhere!'

It's a sad reflection on the disintegration of the modern psyche in modern society.... a search for heroism in a time of zeroes .... but they DO have a point about how far the State is entitled to intrude and dictate ..... YOU should know that.

Just let the Old Master guide you out of the darkness..

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3037 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizenship? Reply #51 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 10:36pm And if someone does something illegal to them they’ll run to the Courts and police for protection. Weirdos.
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Reply #52 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 10:46pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 10:36pm:

And if someone does something illegal to them they’ll run to the Courts and police for protection.

Weirdos.

Yes - the point being that what are basic rights are in need of full upholding in our modern society - and the intrusions of the state in attempting to impose total control over the populace instead of serving it as they should - means many are beginning to find some alternative ground on which to stand... and the disintegration of our society and culture continues under oppressive governments of deluded fools.

We here in Australia are at risk of becoming massively over-regulated - and thus having initiative and fair play stifled.......... these people are a manifestation of an attempt to alter that - by taking what they see as a stand for absolute independence.

Would you treat them unequally? Would you refuse them legal protections at the same time as two tier law enforcement is becoming the norm for Aborigines? Would you refuse them the same 'right' as Aborigines to live in and make use of every good aspect of OUR culture and society, while demanding the right to be different and indeed - sovereign in their own right?

Where does that kind of madness end? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and the same applies to 'land claims' and other rubbish. I could claim half of settled Australia.... and I'm of European etc descent - but my ancestors have walked on and lived on and used huge parts of it. Why am I denied the right to make 'land claims'?

Where does it end? With all being sovereign and anarchy being the rule? NO! It ends with everyone either being treated equally or more and more people splitting off to find their True Way of handling life, culture and society - and while ever some are allowed to run a different race, those people have the exact same entitlement under law. The end result WILL inevitably be civil war.

As aquascoot would say - this is not a disaster - this is an opportunity to hold up the horses, take a good look at the state of the stage coach - and FIX IT. These people are giving the lead - either paint your wagon right or we go our own way.

So it's either fix that wagon or continue on the downward path of more and more disintegration of our society and culture.

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Reply #53 - Aug 20^th, 2025 at 9:17am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:19pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:00pm:

I sincerely hope that these people get the mental health care they need.

For their sake, and for ours.

These are very, very, very ill people.

That's what they say about all freedom fighters!

They're not freedom fighters.

They're very confused, ignorant people with severe mental health issues.

They need help.

A call to arms for Crappler

Thing is, not that he'll ever see it, he rants daily on here about putting people in gulags for similar principles.

Lost on him. Utterly.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146017 Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizenship? Reply #54 - Aug 20^th, 2025 at 10:06am Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 10:36pm: And if someone does something illegal to them they’ll run to the Courts and police for protection. Weirdos. That's EXACTLY right! Very confused, very sick people.
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Reply #55 - Aug 20^th, 2025 at 10:26am

I used to enjoy the SovCit compilations where they get dragged out of their cars, not just for the schadenfreude but for the comments section too.

The very same people who've defended the extrajudicial killings of minorities byt the police, by saying "they should have just complied" suddenly fall over themselves to cheer on a SovCit for not complying and "standing up against the man."

It's telling, really. The level of privilege in play is obvious. You don't see many minorities trying SovCit tactics against the police, because they know full well it won't end with a chuckle and a night in lockup, it could end with a coroner's report.

But now the enjoyment's gone, because it's dawned on me that I'm basically just laughing at retards. It's the same empty feeling you get when you mock MAGA types, you realise you're not punching up at some clever villain, you're just watching dim-witted zealots humiliate themselves in public.

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Reply #56 - Aug 20^th, 2025 at 10:48am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 20^th, 2025 at 10:26am:

I used to enjoy the SovCit compilations where they get dragged out of their cars, not just for the schadenfreude but for the comments section too.

The very same people who've defended the extrajudicial killings of minorities byt the police, by saying "they should have just complied" suddenly fall over themselves to cheer on a SovCit for not complying and "standing up against the man."

It's telling, really. The level of privilege in play is obvious. You don't see many minorities trying SovCit tactics against the police, because they know full well it won't end with a chuckle and a night in lockup, it could end with a coroner's report.

But now the enjoyment's gone, because it's dawned on me that I'm basically just laughing at retards. It's the same empty feeling you get when you mock MAGA types, you realise you're not punching up at some clever villain, you're just watching dim-witted zealots humiliate themselves in public.

As i said, Crappler is on here daily gloating about his various proposed gulags for those amongst us who do not assimilate to his standards.

But we know what that i all about ... same with their perpetual whining about women ... it' not about him.

He is, after all, the most aggrieved. What aggrievance he doesn't personally own is only recognizable by him when it is the domain of others like him.

Anything not like him? Gulag.

White and entitled? Sign Crapler up.

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Reply #57 - Aug 20^th, 2025 at 10:53am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 20^th, 2025 at 10:26am:

I used to enjoy the SovCit compilations where they get dragged out of their cars, not just for the schadenfreude but for the comments section too.

The very same people who've defended the extrajudicial killings of minorities byt the police, by saying "they should have just complied" suddenly fall over themselves to cheer on a SovCit for not complying and "standing up against the man."

It's telling, really. The level of privilege in play is obvious. You don't see many minorities trying SovCit tactics against the police, because they know full well it won't end with a chuckle and a night in lockup, it could end with a coroner's report.

But now the enjoyment's gone, because it's dawned on me that I'm basically just laughing at retards. It's the same empty feeling you get when you mock MAGA types, you realise you're not punching up at some clever villain, you're just watching dim-witted zealots humiliate themselves in public.

I love the ones from the UK and Australia who cite US law when they're pulled over by the police.

True window lickers.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3037 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizenship? Reply #58 - Aug 20^th, 2025 at 11:56am I wonder how they’ll run the Armed Services.
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Reply #59 - Aug 20^th, 2025 at 12:01pm

mothra wrote on Aug 20^th, 2025 at 9:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:19pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:00pm:

I sincerely hope that these people get the mental health care they need.

For their sake, and for ours.

These are very, very, very ill people.

That's what they say about all freedom fighters!

They're not freedom fighters.

They're very confused, ignorant people with severe mental health issues.

They need help.

A call to arms for Crappler

Thing is, not that he'll ever see it, he rants daily on here about putting people in gulags for similar principles.

Lost on him. Utterly.

Do you always find it so difficult to follow an intelligent discussion?

No gulags - those are homelands for the Abos who want to 'do things their way' and be 'sovereign citizens', 'hang on to their 'sovereignty' etc - and it is voluntary on the proviso that those who do not wish to Homeland themselves abide by all of our rules out here in Realityland. then the Homelanders get those who are recalcitrant petty criminals and such, troublemakers - to set right their 'tribal ways'.... that'll fix 'em ..

As for Gon'Mo - that's for serious criminals who really need to be isolated from humanity, but you'd rather mother them into being good citizens, ay?

You really are slow, aren't you?

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