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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #75 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 10:17pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 4:36pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 4:08pm:
Put American workers first, build American industry, protect American sovereignty. This is the heart of the America First agenda. It’s not new, it’s certainly not radical. It’s the most American economic policy in history. Five leaders, one philosophy, make tariffs great again, make America great again.”


Breitbart, what a flapping joke.

It's what Navarro leaves out (or distorts) that's what is important.

In the 18th and 19th centuries, tariffs were one of the few ways to raise federal revenue. The US was a developing, industrialising nation competing with established powers. Today, the US is a mature, service-heavy economy with complex global supply chains.

Historically, high tariffs often provoked trade retaliation, raised consumer prices, and sometimes harmed the very industries they were meant to protect (eg, the Smoot–Hawley Tariff of 1930 worsened the Great Depression). Navarro ignores these downsides.

Hamilton and Clay's tariffs were targeted in a far smaller, less interconnected economy. Trump's tariffs are broad, global, and hit US allies as well as rivals, which has disrupted supply chains and raised costs for US manufacturers.  Basically, what I said here.

There's little hard evidence that Trump's tariffs in 2018–2020 significantly boosted US manufacturing in the long run. Some industries saw short-term gains, but many more faced higher input costs and lost export markets.

But as seems on trend for you Frank, as long as someone tells you what you want to hear, reinforcing what you already believe, the research stops there.

Copy and paste here, then insult or ignore those who looked at both sides of the coin.



Long on assertions, shot on evidence - even though you gthink you are a champion of evidence based intellectual arguments.


He is. Sad's smarter than you are, less deluded than you are and not totally farmed out, like a Kool-Aid swallowing zombie.

You haven't even realized that everything you've posted in your DL's defence goes totally against your adopted country's interests.

Your mother country's next. When DL invades Greenland, will you support that too?

Don't answer that.
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #76 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:15am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 4:36pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 4:08pm:
Put American workers first, build American industry, protect American sovereignty. This is the heart of the America First agenda. It’s not new, it’s certainly not radical. It’s the most American economic policy in history. Five leaders, one philosophy, make tariffs great again, make America great again.”


Breitbart, what a flapping joke.

It's what Navarro leaves out (or distorts) that's what is important.

In the 18th and 19th centuries, tariffs were one of the few ways to raise federal revenue. The US was a developing, industrialising nation competing with established powers. Today, the US is a mature, service-heavy economy with complex global supply chains.

Historically, high tariffs often provoked trade retaliation, raised consumer prices, and sometimes harmed the very industries they were meant to protect (eg, the Smoot–Hawley Tariff of 1930 worsened the Great Depression). Navarro ignores these downsides.

Hamilton and Clay's tariffs were targeted in a far smaller, less interconnected economy. Trump's tariffs are broad, global, and hit US allies as well as rivals, which has disrupted supply chains and raised costs for US manufacturers.  Basically, what I said here.

There's little hard evidence that Trump's tariffs in 2018–2020 significantly boosted US manufacturing in the long run. Some industries saw short-term gains, but many more faced higher input costs and lost export markets.

But as seems on trend for you Frank, as long as someone tells you what you want to hear, reinforcing what you already believe, the research stops there.

Copy and paste here, then insult or ignore those who looked at both sides of the coin.



Long on assertions, short on evidence - even though you think you are a champion of evidence based intellectual arguments.


Please...

This is where I have to list the claims I made, then ask you what source you'll actually accept when I cite the evidence. 
Then you'll play silly buggers again, go around the twist, not answer the question and try to move onto something else in a ninja-vanish smoke bomb attempt comprised of insults.

What's the point?

Should I bother?  Will you come to the party or continue to be a whiny loser?
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #77 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:45am
 
Tariffs have a much, much longer history than free trade. For centuries tariffs were one of the main sources of government revenue, until the fairly recent introduction of income tax (itself not universal, unlike tariffs).

Free trade only works when everyone is equal. It sorta worked in the EEC then France Germany and the BeNeLux countries decided to try it for a limited range of goods.
Once extended to places like Greece, Portugal, Eastern Europe, it started to become a political mechanism, because the participants weren't equal.
With China lying and cheating itself into the WTO, free trade was totally deformed.

Time to review and correct. Tariffs bring everyone to the REnegotiating table. Things can't go on in the deformed, cheating, lying ways of China et al.

Sox and toasters cost a bit more for a while? Worth it. Better than total industrial dependence on countries that are working against you.



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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #78 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:36am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:45am:
Tariffs have a much, much longer history than free trade.


Nobody is saying tariffs are bad per se.

It's the way Trump - the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon - applies them that's the problem.

He has no idea what he's doing, as usual.

Tariffs need to be wielded like a surgeon's scalpel, not a blacksmith's sledge hammer.

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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #79 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:50am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:36am:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:45am:
Tariffs have a much, much longer history than free trade.


Nobody is saying tariffs are bad per se.

It's the way Trump - the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon - applies them that's the problem.

He has no idea what he's doing, as usual.

Tariffs need to be wielded like a surgeon's scalpel, not a blacksmith's sledge hammer.


Free trade only works when everyone is equal. It sorta worked in the EEC then France Germany and the BeNeLux countries decided to try it for a limited range of goods.
Once extended to places like Greece, Portugal, Eastern Europe, it started to become a political mechanism, because the participants weren't equal.
With China lying and cheating itself into the WTO, free trade was totally deformed.

Time to review and correct. Tariffs bring everyone to the REnegotiating table. Things can't go on in the deformed, cheating, lying ways of China et al.

Sox and toasters cost a bit more for a while? Worth it. Better than total industrial dependence on countries that are working against you.
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #80 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:53am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:36am:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:45am:
Tariffs have a much, much longer history than free trade.


Nobody is saying tariffs are bad per se.

It's the way Trump - the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon - applies them that's the problem.

He has no idea what he's doing, as usual.

Tariffs need to be wielded like a surgeon's scalpel, not a blacksmith's sledge hammer.


Free trade only works when everyone is equal. It sorta worked in the EEC then France Germany and the BeNeLux countries decided to try it for a limited range of goods.
Once extended to places like Greece, Portugal, Eastern Europe, it started to become a political mechanism, because the participants weren't equal.
With China lying and cheating itself into the WTO, free trade was totally deformed.

Time to review and correct. Tariffs bring everyone to the REnegotiating table. Things can't go on in the deformed, cheating, lying ways of China et al.

Sox and toasters cost a bit more for a while? Worth it. Better than total industrial dependence on countries that are working against you.


Tendentious, windy and blinkered bollocks, as usual.
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #81 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 2:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:36am:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:45am:
Tariffs have a much, much longer history than free trade.


Nobody is saying tariffs are bad per se.

It's the way Trump - the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon - applies them that's the problem.

He has no idea what he's doing, as usual.

Tariffs need to be wielded like a surgeon's scalpel, not a blacksmith's sledge hammer.


Free trade only works when everyone is equal. It sorta worked in the EEC then France Germany and the BeNeLux countries decided to try it for a limited range of goods.
Once extended to places like Greece, Portugal, Eastern Europe, it started to become a political mechanism, because the participants weren't equal.
With China lying and cheating itself into the WTO, free trade was totally deformed.

Time to review and correct. Tariffs bring everyone to the REnegotiating table. Things can't go on in the deformed, cheating, lying ways of China et al.

Sox and toasters cost a bit more for a while? Worth it. Better than total industrial dependence on countries that are working against you.


I think you've broken him, haha. He's reduced to copy-pasting the same thing over and over, stuck in a loop. The cognitive dissonance has won, and he's parroting his own words so he doesn't have to confront what you've said. It's a level of weakness that's almost impressive in its fragility.
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #82 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 2:15pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 2:09pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:36am:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:45am:
Tariffs have a much, much longer history than free trade.


Nobody is saying tariffs are bad per se.

It's the way Trump - the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon - applies them that's the problem.

He has no idea what he's doing, as usual.

Tariffs need to be wielded like a surgeon's scalpel, not a blacksmith's sledge hammer.


Free trade only works when everyone is equal. It sorta worked in the EEC then France Germany and the BeNeLux countries decided to try it for a limited range of goods.
Once extended to places like Greece, Portugal, Eastern Europe, it started to become a political mechanism, because the participants weren't equal.
With China lying and cheating itself into the WTO, free trade was totally deformed.

Time to review and correct. Tariffs bring everyone to the REnegotiating table. Things can't go on in the deformed, cheating, lying ways of China et al.

Sox and toasters cost a bit more for a while? Worth it. Better than total industrial dependence on countries that are working against you.


I think you've broken him, haha. He's reduced to copy-pasting the same thing over and over, stuck in a loop. The cognitive dissonance has won, and he's parroting his own words so he doesn't have to confront what you've said. It's a level of weakness that's almost impressive in its fragility.

Creep, like you, ignored the pertinent bit so I reminded him.

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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #83 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:07pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 2:15pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 2:09pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:36am:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:45am:
Tariffs have a much, much longer history than free trade.


Nobody is saying tariffs are bad per se.

It's the way Trump - the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon - applies them that's the problem.

He has no idea what he's doing, as usual.

Tariffs need to be wielded like a surgeon's scalpel, not a blacksmith's sledge hammer.


Free trade only works when everyone is equal. It sorta worked in the EEC then France Germany and the BeNeLux countries decided to try it for a limited range of goods.
Once extended to places like Greece, Portugal, Eastern Europe, it started to become a political mechanism, because the participants weren't equal.
With China lying and cheating itself into the WTO, free trade was totally deformed.

Time to review and correct. Tariffs bring everyone to the REnegotiating table. Things can't go on in the deformed, cheating, lying ways of China et al.

Sox and toasters cost a bit more for a while? Worth it. Better than total industrial dependence on countries that are working against you.


I think you've broken him, haha. He's reduced to copy-pasting the same thing over and over, stuck in a loop. The cognitive dissonance has won, and he's parroting his own words so he doesn't have to confront what you've said. It's a level of weakness that's almost impressive in its fragility.

Creep, like you, ignored the pertinent bit so I reminded him.



You've only posted your opinion, which is worth less than dogshit.

At least that might fertilise the ground where it lies.
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #84 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:21pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:07pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 2:15pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 2:09pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:36am:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:45am:
Tariffs have a much, much longer history than free trade.


Nobody is saying tariffs are bad per se.

It's the way Trump - the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon - applies them that's the problem.

He has no idea what he's doing, as usual.

Tariffs need to be wielded like a surgeon's scalpel, not a blacksmith's sledge hammer.


Free trade only works when everyone is equal. It sorta worked in the EEC then France Germany and the BeNeLux countries decided to try it for a limited range of goods.
Once extended to places like Greece, Portugal, Eastern Europe, it started to become a political mechanism, because the participants weren't equal.
With China lying and cheating itself into the WTO, free trade was totally deformed.

Time to review and correct. Tariffs bring everyone to the REnegotiating table. Things can't go on in the deformed, cheating, lying ways of China et al.

Sox and toasters cost a bit more for a while? Worth it. Better than total industrial dependence on countries that are working against you.


I think you've broken him, haha. He's reduced to copy-pasting the same thing over and over, stuck in a loop. The cognitive dissonance has won, and he's parroting his own words so he doesn't have to confront what you've said. It's a level of weakness that's almost impressive in its fragility.

Creep, like you, ignored the pertinent bit so I reminded him.



You've only posted your opinion, which is worth less than dogshit.

At least that might fertilise the ground where it lies.

You haven't posted anything but your own opinion.  Where does that lie?

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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #85 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:40pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:21pm:
You haven't posted anything but your own opinion.  Where does that lie?


You only say that because you keep stripping out everything you can't handle when quoting people and then refusing to answer the straightforward question of what source you'll actually accept when someone provides citations and evidence.

Anything to ensure you're never held to account.

No wonder you're so devoted to Trump, he's terrified of accountability as well.


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Reply #86 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:57pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:40pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:21pm:
You haven't posted anything but your own opinion.  Where does that lie?


You only say that because you keep stripping out everything you can't handle when quoting people and then refusing to answer the straightforward question of what source you'll actually accept when someone provides citations and evidence.

Anything to ensure you're never held to account.

No wonder you're so devoted to Trump, he's terrified of accountability as well.



I posted from the HLR, with link.
You posted your own long winded opinion.

So enough of your steamed up spouting. Tip yourself over already, teapot.

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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #87 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 4:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:57pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:40pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 3:21pm:
You haven't posted anything but your own opinion.  Where does that lie?


You only say that because you keep stripping out everything you can't handle when quoting people and then refusing to answer the straightforward question of what source you'll actually accept when someone provides citations and evidence.

Anything to ensure you're never held to account.

No wonder you're so devoted to Trump, he's terrified of accountability as well.



I posted from the HLR, with link.
You posted your own long winded opinion.

So enough of your steamed up spouting. Tip yourself over already, teapot.



Silly, grimacing bollocks again.
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Reply #88 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:02pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:50am:
Free trade only works when everyone is equal. It sorta worked in the EEC then France Germany and the BeNeLux countries decided to try it for a limited range of goods.
Once extended to places like Greece, Portugal, Eastern Europe, it started to become a political mechanism, because the participants weren't equal.
With China lying and cheating itself into the WTO, free trade was totally deformed.

Time to review and correct. Tariffs bring everyone to the REnegotiating table. Things can't go on in the deformed, cheating, lying ways of China et al.

Sox and toasters cost a bit more for a while? Worth it. Better than total industrial dependence on countries that are working against you.


I wonder if the US trade deficit that Trump has been saying since his first term he would fix would be an accurate measure of the effectiveness of Trump's tariffs?
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #89 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 11:26pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 10:17pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 4:36pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 4:08pm:
Put American workers first, build American industry, protect American sovereignty. This is the heart of the America First agenda. It’s not new, it’s certainly not radical. It’s the most American economic policy in history. Five leaders, one philosophy, make tariffs great again, make America great again.”


Breitbart, what a flapping joke.

It's what Navarro leaves out (or distorts) that's what is important.

In the 18th and 19th centuries, tariffs were one of the few ways to raise federal revenue. The US was a developing, industrialising nation competing with established powers. Today, the US is a mature, service-heavy economy with complex global supply chains.

Historically, high tariffs often provoked trade retaliation, raised consumer prices, and sometimes harmed the very industries they were meant to protect (eg, the Smoot–Hawley Tariff of 1930 worsened the Great Depression). Navarro ignores these downsides.

Hamilton and Clay's tariffs were targeted in a far smaller, less interconnected economy. Trump's tariffs are broad, global, and hit US allies as well as rivals, which has disrupted supply chains and raised costs for US manufacturers.  Basically, what I said here.

There's little hard evidence that Trump's tariffs in 2018–2020 significantly boosted US manufacturing in the long run. Some industries saw short-term gains, but many more faced higher input costs and lost export markets.

But as seems on trend for you Frank, as long as someone tells you what you want to hear, reinforcing what you already believe, the research stops there.

Copy and paste here, then insult or ignore those who looked at both sides of the coin.



Long on assertions, shot on evidence - even though you gthink you are a champion of evidence based intellectual arguments.


He is. Sad's smarter than you are, less deluded than you are and not totally farmed out, like a Kool-Aid swallowing zombie.

You haven't even realized that everything you've posted in your DL's defence goes totally against your adopted country's interests.

Your mother country's next. When DL invades Greenland, will you support that too?

Don't answer that.


Hi there, dear boy, you may have missed this one, highlighted.

If you need any clarification to inform your answer, please ask.

Cheers.
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