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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #45 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 8:40pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 6:54pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 6:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 6:42pm:
Trump is still claiming other countries pay the tariffs not American's....Once inflation starts to rise Trump will blame everyone except himself....Why do MAGA believe such outright bullshit from Trump....Or do they just not care about the truth and ethics???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Tell us - why do countries worry if the US imposes tariffs on them if it's just a way to make Americans to pay more and nothing else...

Go on, tell.





Tariffs are paid by American companies Fwank....Companies can either opt not to buy overseas products, absorbe the added cost or pass the cost on to consumers....Either option raises uncertainty for importers and exporters....Do you believe other countries pay the tariffs Fwank???

Huh Huh Huh


There you go, you do know.

There is no tariffs on local products.

Buy your kids a job - buy Australian.



It is very much possible for there to be tariffs on local products, or at least components of local products. Look at the auto industry. Even though that Chevrolet truck might be built in a factory in the United States, there is an extremely high likelihood that some of its components (e.g. LED lights or even metal used in the body of the vehicle itself) are imported into the U.S. and those components will attract a tariff. Now that car that used to cost $80k might cost $85k because of numerous components that had to be imported because no one makes them in America or not cheap enough to make it profitable to buy American-made components.

So yeah, it’s highly likely - basically a certainty - that local products will have some level of tariff involved in them.
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #46 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:31pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:36pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 7:23am:
Frank wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 8:40pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 6:54pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 6:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 6:42pm:
Trump is still claiming other countries pay the tariffs not American's....Once inflation starts to rise Trump will blame everyone except himself....Why do MAGA believe such outright bullshit from Trump....Or do they just not care about the truth and ethics???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Tell us - why do countries worry if the US imposes tariffs on them if it's just a way to make Americans to pay more and nothing else...

Go on, tell.





Tariffs are paid by American companies Fwank....Companies can either opt not to buy overseas products, absorbe the added cost or pass the cost on to consumers....Either option raises uncertainty for importers and exporters....Do you believe other countries pay the tariffs Fwank???

Huh Huh Huh


There you go, you do know.

There is no tariffs on local products.

Buy your kids a job - buy Australian.



There are no tariffs on local products that are made without any imported parts, technology or manufacturing processes, this is true, but there is very little in the US that is made without any tariffs in their supply chain.

Tariffs alone aren't bad, we've been through this all before, during the entire Trump campaign and you were warned then, as you're warned now, but you just don't listen.

You can't handle the fact that you've been lied to by Trump.

But that's yet another deflection attempt to move away from the topic of why Trump thinks these are a good idea, the criminal who suggested it, the lack of research that found him, and the lies he told in the book with made up statistics and people to justify it.

And this is guiding Trump's decisions on tariffs.

No wonder you want to deflect away from that.



Tell us, then, why do countries exporting to the US want lower or no tariffs if tariffs are all paid by american consumers and hurt american consumers but have no relevance for the exporting countries?

Why does it matter to Vietnam, China, Australia, EU that American consumerrs pay more for their goods?





Are you suggesting they're not paid for by the American consumers?

Oh sorry, that's right, we're doing your mental health retreat.

Oh Frank, you're just brilliant. How could I ever have been so misguided as to think tariffs were anything but a masterstroke?

After all, making American consumers pay more is clearly a stroke of economic genius, it'll "encourage" them to buy American instead of imports. And by "encourage" I mean "leave them with no choice", even if there's no local equivalent, or only a dusty handful of goods left from before the tariffed prices bled their way through every supply chain.

It's actually cheaper this way, in the same way that eating one meal a day is "cheaper" than three. Who needs variety, right? Children only need one doll anyway, preferably one without legs or accessories.

And imagine if Trump had done the obviously wrong thing and waited, investing in local manufacturing first so that Americans had abundant, affordable, non-tariffed options before the price hikes kicked in. That would have been an absolute tragedy. Think of all those billions in extra taxes consumers wouldn't be paying, the billions Trump couldn't brag about.

No, Frank, he did the right thing, at the right time, in the right way. Sure, we're not getting those mythical $5k cheques anymore, but it's still better to pay more, because that's patriotic.

And you, you clever little prophet, you've been telling us this since the campaign. Always pushing for the best ideas, especially the ones that hit the MAGA base hardest. If Trump says it, it's good. End of story.

Truly, well done! Bravo! Standing ovation! 👏

/Frank's Mental Health Retreat.
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Re: Where did Trump's love of tariffs come from?
Reply #47 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:57pm
 
Come back to earth, unmored little gasbag.  It was a simple question even a woke toddler like you can readily understand.

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Why does it matter to Vietnam, China, Australia, EU that American consumers pay more for their goods?





When Australia had a car industry imported cars had hefty duties)tariffs on them. Most car sales were of Australian made units, with all the jobs and infrastructure and expertise that goes with it.
Tariffs were gradually lowered and the Australian automotive industry died. Now we don't even refine our own fuel.


Sweden (population 10 million) makes cars and trucks like Volvo, Saab, Scania IN Sweden that you can see on the roads across the world, including Australia.
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Reply #48 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 2:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Come back to earth, unmored little gasbag.  It was a simple question even a woke toddler like you can readily understand.

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Why does it matter to Vietnam, China, Australia, EU that American consumers pay more for their goods?





When Australia had a car industry imported cars had hefty duties)tariffs on them. Most car sales were of Australian made units, with all the jobs and infrastructure and expertise that goes with it.
Tariffs were gradually lowered and the Australian automotive industry died. Now we don't even refine our own fuel.


Sweden (population 10 million) makes cars and trucks like Volvo, Saab, Scania IN Sweden that you can see on the roads across the world, including Australia.


What stupid questions.
Gissa 'nother.
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Reply #49 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 4:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Why does it matter to Vietnam, China, Australia, EU that American consumers pay more for their goods?


It doesn't.  They're just trying to exploit the USA, they deserve it.

We deserve it.

It's a really good thing Trump is doing, making his people pay more for everything, while increasing their taxes in the BBB.

He's pushing sustainability and ending the disposable economy.  People should only buy what they need, not what they want.  And Trump will tell them what they need.

Trump is leading the US to victory over its allies trade enemies and the victory will be glorious.

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Reply #50 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 5:37pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 4:33pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Why does it matter to Vietnam, China, Australia, EU that American consumers pay more for their goods?


It doesn't.  They're just trying to exploit the USA, they deserve it.

We deserve it.

It's a really good thing Trump is doing, making his people pay more for everything, while increasing their taxes in the BBB.

He's pushing sustainability and ending the disposable economy.  People should only buy what they need, not what they want.  And Trump will tell them what they need.

Trump is leading the US to victory over its allies trade enemies and the victory will be glorious.

/Frank's Mental Health Retreat.


Yeah all his billionaire friends now don't have to pay tax on their tips and overtime.
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Reply #51 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 7:36pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 11th, 2025 at 3:59pm:
A massive stumble at the first hurdle...

Wow.  Typical Frank.


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Reply #52 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 2:08am
 
Leroy wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 5:37pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 4:33pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Why does it matter to Vietnam, China, Australia, EU that American consumers pay more for their goods?


It doesn't.  They're just trying to exploit the USA, they deserve it.

We deserve it.

It's a really good thing Trump is doing, making his people pay more for everything, while increasing their taxes in the BBB.

He's pushing sustainability and ending the disposable economy.  People should only buy what they need, not what they want.  And Trump will tell them what they need.

Trump is leading the US to victory over its allies trade enemies and the victory will be glorious.

/Frank's Mental Health Retreat.


Yeah all his billionaire friends now don't have to pay tax on their tips and overtime.


Is that so? Which people don't have to pay tax on tips and overtime, Leroy?

That's a question. If you refuse to answer, we'll be filing a report with Brian.
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Reply #53 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 2:10am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 4:33pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Why does it matter to Vietnam, China, Australia, EU that American consumers pay more for their goods?


It doesn't.  They're just trying to exploit the USA, they deserve it.

We deserve it.

It's a really good thing Trump is doing, making his people pay more for everything, while increasing their taxes in the BBB.

He's pushing sustainability and ending the disposable economy.  People should only buy what they need, not what they want.  And Trump will tell them what they need.

Trump is leading the US to victory over its allies trade enemies and the victory will be glorious.

/Frank's Mental Health Retreat.


Strange. Now where have we heard that before?

FD? You've been rather quiet of late.

Please explain?
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Reply #54 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 5:38am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Come back to earth, unmored little gasbag.  It was a simple question even a woke toddler like you can readily understand.

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Why does it matter to Vietnam, China, Australia, EU that American consumers pay more for their goods?





When Australia had a car industry imported cars had hefty duties)tariffs on them. Most car sales were of Australian made units, with all the jobs and infrastructure and expertise that goes with it.
Tariffs were gradually lowered and the Australian automotive industry died. Now we don't even refine our own fuel.


Sweden (population 10 million) makes cars and trucks like Volvo, Saab, Scania IN Sweden that you can see on the roads across the world, including Australia.


Australian cars failed because japanese and Korean cars were much better.
Aust Govt gave lots of support money to aust car manufacturers so they could improve the product over time
Australian management failed to improve the product.
In essence Aust consumers were paying too much in extra taxes and tariffs  for an inferior product.

Aust cars failed because it should of failed.
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Reply #55 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:46am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:31pm:
After all, making American consumers pay more is clearly a stroke of economic genius, it'll "encourage" them to buy American instead of imports. And by "encourage" I mean "leave them with no choice", even if there's no local equivalent, or only a dusty handful of goods left from before the tariffed prices bled their way through every supply chain.

It's actually cheaper this way, in the same way that eating one meal a day is "cheaper" than three. Who needs variety, right? Children only need one doll anyway, preferably one without legs or accessories.

And imagine if Trump had done the obviously wrong thing and waited, investing in local manufacturing first so that Americans had abundant, affordable, non-tariffed options before the price hikes kicked in. That would have been an absolute tragedy. Think of all those billions in extra taxes consumers wouldn't be paying, the billions Trump couldn't brag about.




You are talking absolute rot, again. Probably lying on purpose for rhetorical purposes, playing to the gallery of equally retarded woke toddlers. Nobody is as stupid as to not know that [b]tariffs are NOT boycotts,[/b]. A tariff does not mean that the product is no longer available as before. Tariff do not make supply any slower. No 'bleeding through'.

Trump is NOT doing what China did to Australia (great, trustworthy free trade partner that it is...) when it BLOCKED Australian products from the Chinese market.

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Reply #56 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:48am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:46am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:31pm:
After all, making American consumers pay more is clearly a stroke of economic genius, it'll "encourage" them to buy American instead of imports. And by "encourage" I mean "leave them with no choice", even if there's no local equivalent, or only a dusty handful of goods left from before the tariffed prices bled their way through every supply chain.

It's actually cheaper this way, in the same way that eating one meal a day is "cheaper" than three. Who needs variety, right? Children only need one doll anyway, preferably one without legs or accessories.

And imagine if Trump had done the obviously wrong thing and waited, investing in local manufacturing first so that Americans had abundant, affordable, non-tariffed options before the price hikes kicked in. That would have been an absolute tragedy. Think of all those billions in extra taxes consumers wouldn't be paying, the billions Trump couldn't brag about.




You are talking absolute rot, again. Probably lying on purpose for rhetorical purposes, playing to the gallery of equally retarded woke toddlers. Nobody is as stupid as to not know that [b]tariffs are NOT boycotts,[/b]. A tariff does not mean that the product is no longer available as before. Tariff do not make supply any slower. No 'bleeding through'.

Trump is NOT doing what China did to Australia (great, trustworthy free trade partner that it is...) when it BLOCKED Australian products from the Chinese market.



Your TDS has made you as nutty as squirrel shite, pal.
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Reply #57 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 10:48am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:46am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:31pm:
After all, making American consumers pay more is clearly a stroke of economic genius, it'll "encourage" them to buy American instead of imports. And by "encourage" I mean "leave them with no choice", even if there's no local equivalent, or only a dusty handful of goods left from before the tariffed prices bled their way through every supply chain.

It's actually cheaper this way, in the same way that eating one meal a day is "cheaper" than three. Who needs variety, right? Children only need one doll anyway, preferably one without legs or accessories.

And imagine if Trump had done the obviously wrong thing and waited, investing in local manufacturing first so that Americans had abundant, affordable, non-tariffed options before the price hikes kicked in. That would have been an absolute tragedy. Think of all those billions in extra taxes consumers wouldn't be paying, the billions Trump couldn't brag about.




You are talking absolute rot, again. Probably lying on purpose for rhetorical purposes, playing to the gallery of equally retarded woke toddlers. Nobody is as stupid as to not know that [b]tariffs are NOT boycotts,[/b]. A tariff does not mean that the product is no longer available as before. Tariff do not make supply any slower. No 'bleeding through'.

Trump is NOT doing what China did to Australia (great, trustworthy free trade partner that it is...) when it BLOCKED Australian products from the Chinese market.



You dumb ass, that's the version of my post singing from your song sheet, you know, for your mental health retreat.

And you're still triggered by it.  WTF mate...

Seems like you just want to argue with me, even if I agree...  Rent free innit...

Oh right, my bad again:

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Of course tarrifs aint boycotts, they Trumps big win plan. He make imports cost more, yeah price go up for american people but its other countrys payin not us.

Them prices just prove how much more them other countrys payin.

Americans can just buy local stuff no tarrifs on that. Everythin made in USA so we good.

Local factorys dont gotta worry bout tarrifs on they supply chain either cause other countrys pay it.

Its the art of the deal, Trump makin billons for america from tarrifs other countrys paid. That money helpin people thru ICE an cuttin all the junk we dont need.

Its perfect system gonna make more wallmarts open so more stuff, more jobs, econmy go up unless biden messed with it with more plants spewing fake numbers!

I aint tired of winnin yet this is awsome!

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Reply #58 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 11:16am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 10:48am:
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:46am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:31pm:
After all, making American consumers pay more is clearly a stroke of economic genius, it'll "encourage" them to buy American instead of imports. And by "encourage" I mean "leave them with no choice", even if there's no local equivalent, or only a dusty handful of goods left from before the tariffed prices bled their way through every supply chain.

It's actually cheaper this way, in the same way that eating one meal a day is "cheaper" than three. Who needs variety, right? Children only need one doll anyway, preferably one without legs or accessories.

And imagine if Trump had done the obviously wrong thing and waited, investing in local manufacturing first so that Americans had abundant, affordable, non-tariffed options before the price hikes kicked in. That would have been an absolute tragedy. Think of all those billions in extra taxes consumers wouldn't be paying, the billions Trump couldn't brag about.




You are talking absolute rot, again. Probably lying on purpose for rhetorical purposes, playing to the gallery of equally retarded woke toddlers. Nobody is as stupid as to not know that [b]tariffs are NOT boycotts,[/b]. A tariff does not mean that the product is no longer available as before. Tariff do not make supply any slower. No 'bleeding through'.

Trump is NOT doing what China did to Australia (great, trustworthy free trade partner that it is...) when it BLOCKED Australian products from the Chinese market.



You dumb ass, that's the version of my post singing from your song sheet, you know, for your mental health retreat.





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You are crap at that too. You do not understand what others say, only what you want them to have said and then you imitate and or argue with your own cack handed misunderstandings.

At length. AT GREAT LENGTH.
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Reply #59 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 12:01pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 11:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 10:48am:
Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:46am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:31pm:
After all, making American consumers pay more is clearly a stroke of economic genius, it'll "encourage" them to buy American instead of imports. And by "encourage" I mean "leave them with no choice", even if there's no local equivalent, or only a dusty handful of goods left from before the tariffed prices bled their way through every supply chain.

It's actually cheaper this way, in the same way that eating one meal a day is "cheaper" than three. Who needs variety, right? Children only need one doll anyway, preferably one without legs or accessories.

And imagine if Trump had done the obviously wrong thing and waited, investing in local manufacturing first so that Americans had abundant, affordable, non-tariffed options before the price hikes kicked in. That would have been an absolute tragedy. Think of all those billions in extra taxes consumers wouldn't be paying, the billions Trump couldn't brag about.




You are talking absolute rot, again. Probably lying on purpose for rhetorical purposes, playing to the gallery of equally retarded woke toddlers. Nobody is as stupid as to not know that [b]tariffs are NOT boycotts,[/b]. A tariff does not mean that the product is no longer available as before. Tariff do not make supply any slower. No 'bleeding through'.

Trump is NOT doing what China did to Australia (great, trustworthy free trade partner that it is...) when it BLOCKED Australian products from the Chinese market.



You dumb ass, that's the version of my post singing from your song sheet, you know, for your mental health retreat.





Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Yeah, right....


You are crap at that too. You do not understand what others say, only what you want them to have said and then you imitate and or argue with your own cack handed misunderstandings.

At length. AT GREAT LENGTH.


By the way, what I said, even though it's been twisted to give you a break because you're acting like a perpetually triggered toddler, was dead on.

Trump's tariffs are blanket, indiscriminate sledgehammers. They're not designed to help struggling local industries. In most cases, there aren't even locally manufactured alternatives, and where there are, those supply chains are still hit with tariffs.

It's the only "king-like" power he wields without needing congressional approval, which, even with his party controlling both chambers, he seems too gutless to pursue.

So now he's trying to wield tariffs like some sort of magic fix for every problem, shamelessly taking credit for anything remotely positive, and sacking anyone who dares expose, even with cold, hard facts, the catastrophic fallout of his policies.

Look, tariffs do have a place. They can prop up faltering industries or help nurture new ones, provided there's actual government backing.

But Trump? He's doing none of that. No targeted tariffs, no meaningful support, just a reckless tax on everything, making prices skyrocket and lying about who pays it.

We're even seeing Walmart shutter stores in low-income areas because people simply can't afford to buy enough to keep them afloat.

That's more jobs lost, more smoke-and-mirrors number fiddling that will be needed to hide it over at BLS now Trump got rid of those telling the truth.

And that's just scratching the surface. Take Vegas tourism plummeting or Ford's 64% dive in net income in Q1 2025.

Everywhere you look, it's going pear-shaped.

And it's overwhelmingly because of these tariffs.

I know it's a bit off-topic since we're discussing where Trump got this moronic idea, but it sure as hell underlines how utterly stupid it is, to anyone not blindly wearing a red hat, at least.

Oh and blah blah blah
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, I feel like it's not necessary with this post, nor can I be buggered, you're just going to make your own reality and ignore what I've said anyway. 

Just create your own safe space like you normally do.

What am I this time, a gasious waffling teapot again?

Anything to run and hide from the truth huh...
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