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Reply #15 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:59am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:33am:
Trump understands one of my favourite marketing teachers , the legendary  John Carlton s maxim


Make your mess your message.

It makes you seem congruent and in control of the frame.

Like when Kerry packer was asked why he paid a low tax rate and replied
Only a total f wit pays one cent more then he has to.

People respect strong men who feature their flaws and own their actions.

Everyone basically wants pussy and cash.

But rich people are often embarrassed and pretend they just want to be like George clooney and go dig wells for the pygmies or Bill gates and go vaccinate Ethiopians ( whilst stealing their blood for a gene databank).

The public don't buy it.

What you can't fake, you feature.

Own it
Be unapologetic.

It builds trust that you aren't a 2 faced phoney.

Trump loves cash and pussy.

He doesn't lose a single vote by being attacked over his love of cash and pussy, because he does nothing but talk about how he loves cash and pussy.

Smart marketing. Wink


Ah yes, the gospel according to Facebook marketers, where moral bankruptcy is rebranded as "authenticity" and sociopathy is just "smart branding."

The idea that "owning your flaws" makes you a better leader might hold some weight if we were talking about human flaws, like doubt, grief, or mistakes.

But what you're celebrating Scoot is unrepentant greed and misogyny.

Trump's "flaws" aren't flaws in the human sense, they're warning signs.

If a bloke walked into a job interview and said "I love money and rooting, and I don't pay tax," he wouldn't be seen as strong, he'd be shown the door. But slap a flag pin on him and suddenly he's a prophet of the working class?

And this Kerry Packer quote, every halfwit tax cheat uses it like it's holy writ. Packer said that while sitting atop a mountain of inherited wealth, running monopolies or businesses propped up by tax payer funds, while dodging taxes the average punter has no choice but to pay. It's not wisdom, it's a smirk from the top of the food chain while the rest of us fund hospitals and roads.

It's no surprise that triggers your admiration.

Then comes the real caveman insight: "Everyone wants pussy and cash." Right, so the entire human condition is just a byproduct of unresolved incel fantasies?

What a bleak, adolescent worldview.

Apparently, altruism doesn't exist, unless it's Bill Gates secretly harvesting African DNA like it's a Bond villain subplot. If you think that's clever marketing, you've already drunk the Kool-Aid and asked for seconds.

Here's the truth: Trump isn't "owning his flaws", he's weaponising them. There's a difference.

Owning your flaws means changing, growing, taking responsibility.

Trump does none of that.

Ever.

He just floods the zone with shamelessness until the outrage fatigue sets in and the bar drops through the floor. And the fact that people are mistaking that for strength says more about their standards than his strategy.

I'm looking at you Scoot.  You and Frank have dropped the bar so low for Trump that you now find yourselves defending paedophiles.

How did that happen!?

But sure, keep calling it "marketing" if it helps you sleep at night. Just don't pretend it's noble, smart, or honest. It's not. It's just the tired old grift of a man who figured out he could fail upward if he lied loud enough and often enough. And some of you still clap.

Egad, just realised how long that post turned out, almost guaranteed to send Frank and Scoot scurrying for the hills again, pretending they haven't seen it so they don't have to respond.

Standard playbook: ignore anything that forces them to think, especially if it's longer than a meme or doesn't end in "lol."

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Reply #16 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:08am
 
Carl D wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:24am:
Funny, I always thought the role of any government and its leader (President in the case of the United States) was to serve the people and improve their living conditions and health, etc.

My bad... I should have known better (I did, I'm just being sarcastic). The role of governments these days.. and it's been like this for a long time.. is to make as much money for themselves as they can and screw the people (literally screw them in a few cases as we've seen).

Must be the reason why I see Australia's government referred to as "gov.corp" fairly often on some forums.


Yep.
The role of a leader should be to serve the public.
It rarely is.
It is to get re elected and do a good PR job.

The role of a citizen should be to contribute to the nation,  the community , the workplace and improve society
It rarely is.
It is to extract maximal resources from the nation whilst limiting contribution as much as possible.

You yourself are proud that this is your behaviour Carl.

You can hardly complain about it when you are the problem  Embarrassed
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Reply #17 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:10am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:59am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 7:33am:
Trump understands one of my favourite marketing teachers , the legendary  John Carlton s maxim


Make your mess your message.

It makes you seem congruent and in control of the frame.

Like when Kerry packer was asked why he paid a low tax rate and replied
Only a total f wit pays one cent more then he has to.

People respect strong men who feature their flaws and own their actions.

Everyone basically wants pussy and cash.

But rich people are often embarrassed and pretend they just want to be like George clooney and go dig wells for the pygmies or Bill gates and go vaccinate Ethiopians ( whilst stealing their blood for a gene databank).

The public don't buy it.

What you can't fake, you feature.

Own it
Be unapologetic.

It builds trust that you aren't a 2 faced phoney.

Trump loves cash and pussy.

He doesn't lose a single vote by being attacked over his love of cash and pussy, because he does nothing but talk about how he loves cash and pussy.

Smart marketing. Wink


Ah yes, the gospel according to Facebook marketers, where moral bankruptcy is rebranded as "authenticity" and sociopathy is just "smart branding."

The idea that "owning your flaws" makes you a better leader might hold some weight if we were talking about human flaws, like doubt, grief, or mistakes.

But what you're celebrating Scoot is unrepentant greed and misogyny.

Trump's "flaws" aren't flaws in the human sense, they're warning signs.

If a bloke walked into a job interview and said "I love money and rooting, and I don't pay tax," he wouldn't be seen as strong, he'd be shown the door. But slap a flag pin on him and suddenly he's a prophet of the working class?

And this Kerry Packer quote, every halfwit tax cheat uses it like it's holy writ. Packer said that while sitting atop a mountain of inherited wealth, running monopolies or businesses propped up by tax payer funds, while dodging taxes the average punter has no choice but to pay. It's not wisdom, it's a smirk from the top of the food chain while the rest of us fund hospitals and roads.

It's no surprise that triggers your admiration.

Then comes the real caveman insight: "Everyone wants pussy and cash." Right, so the entire human condition is just a byproduct of unresolved incel fantasies?

What a bleak, adolescent worldview.

Apparently, altruism doesn't exist, unless it's Bill Gates secretly harvesting African DNA like it's a Bond villain subplot. If you think that's clever marketing, you've already drunk the Kool-Aid and asked for seconds.

Here's the truth: Trump isn't "owning his flaws", he's weaponising them. There's a difference.

Owning your flaws means changing, growing, taking responsibility.

Trump does none of that.

Ever.

He just floods the zone with shamelessness until the outrage fatigue sets in and the bar drops through the floor. And the fact that people are mistaking that for strength says more about their standards than his strategy.

I'm looking at you Scoot.  You and Frank have dropped the bar so low for Trump that you now find yourselves defending paedophiles.

How did that happen!?

But sure, keep calling it "marketing" if it helps you sleep at night. Just don't pretend it's noble, smart, or honest. It's not. It's just the tired old grift of a man who figured out he could fail upward if he lied loud enough and often enough. And some of you still clap.

Egad, just realised how long that post turned out, almost guaranteed to send Frank and Scoot scurrying for the hills again, pretending they haven't seen it so they don't have to respond.

Standard playbook: ignore anything that forces them to think, especially if it's longer than a meme or doesn't end in "lol."

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Studying and understanding a situation is neither celebrating it nor endorsing it.

Try again
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Reply #18 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:20am
 
As for not being willing to think.
I would say I am interested in thinking and not just conforming with the leftie or rightie herd.

Thoughts on Trump?

He reflects the reality that the days of relying on government to provide you with a secure and meaningful life are over.

AI was going to produce the same result.

If you want a meaningful rich creative joyful life , you are going to have to learn and observe and take total personal responsibility for creating it.

Or just get whacked out on pot, grog, porn , complaining gossiping. Eating sugar and fat. Netflix. Politics. Gambling.

You can live a great life or you can live in
COPE A TOPIA.

The overwhelming majority will do the latter.
I wish them well.
They are still gods creations.
Like the cattle and the sheep 🐑
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Reply #19 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:30am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:10am:
Studying and understanding a situation is neither celebrating it nor endorsing it.

Try again


You weren't studying or understanding anything, you were fawning. Calling it "smart marketing" and ending with a wink isn't analysis, it's cheerleading. You didn't "try to understand" Trump's behaviour, you romanticised it, dressed it up in marketer-speak, and sold it as a blueprint. Own it.
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Reply #20 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:31am
 
Carl D wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:24am:
Funny, I always thought the role of any government and its leader (President in the case of the United States) was to serve the people and improve their living conditions and health, etc.

My bad... I should have known better (I did, I'm just being sarcastic). The role of governments these days.. and it's been like this for a long time.. is to make as much money for themselves as they can and screw the people (literally screw them in a few cases as we've seen).

Must be the reason why I see Australia's government referred to as "gov.corp" fairly often on some forums.


Let me guess you thought that doctors only cared about the patient and not luxury houses and vineyards, and you thought news readers only thought about giving you the actual news and not how much their next contract is, and you probably thought banks want to help you get rich.
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Reply #21 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:49am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:08am:
Carl D wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:24am:
Funny, I always thought the role of any government and its leader (President in the case of the United States) was to serve the people and improve their living conditions and health, etc.

My bad... I should have known better (I did, I'm just being sarcastic). The role of governments these days.. and it's been like this for a long time.. is to make as much money for themselves as they can and screw the people (literally screw them in a few cases as we've seen).

Must be the reason why I see Australia's government referred to as "gov.corp" fairly often on some forums.


Yep.
The role of a leader should be to serve the public.
It rarely is.
It is to get re elected and do a good PR job.

The role of a citizen should be to contribute to the nation,  the community , the workplace and improve society
It rarely is.
It is to extract maximal resources from the nation whilst limiting contribution as much as possible.

You yourself are proud that this is your behaviour Carl.

You can hardly complain about it when you are the problem  Embarrassed


I'm 68, retired and on the pension you muppet.

What is it exactly that you think I should be doing right now? Building roads? Bricklaying? Brain surgeon? (now that's an idea, pays quite a lot too. Can I practice on your brain to start with (assuming I can find it, might need a magnifying glass)?

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Reply #22 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:52am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:11am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 8:33am:
No

It's easier to get your own way when you establish a frame of

This is me.
I'm Trump
I like cash and pussy.
The system is corrupt and I'm going to pull back the  curtain and show you how to work the system

Unless you know him well, you project a lot about Trump's mind in your posts.

That'd be his big lie, over bothering with lots of little ones... the standard malignant narcissist frame: invincible, omniscient, omnipotent... the rest is left to the fawner to paint within the lines.

Which gives you something in common with Germans between 1933 and 1945 (and for some way beyond then), and American slaves...

The former we all know well.

The latter would often compete with each other over who had the greater Massa by constructing hyperboles of their respective Massa's power, intelligence, wisdom, strength and wealth.
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Reply #23 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 12:00pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:52am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:11am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 8:33am:
No

It's easier to get your own way when you establish a frame of

This is me.
I'm Trump
I like cash and pussy.
The system is corrupt and I'm going to pull back the  curtain and show you how to work the system

Unless you know him well, you project a lot about Trump's mind in your posts.

That'd be his big lie, over bothering with lots of little ones... the standard malignant narcissist frame: invincible, omniscient, omnipotent... the rest is left to the fawner to paint within the lines.

Which gives you something in common with Germans between 1933 and 1945 (and for some way beyond then), and American slaves...

The former we all know well.

The latter would often compete with each other over who had the greater Massa by constructing hyperboles of their respective Massa's power, intelligence, wisdom, strength and wealth.



you project a lot about Trump's the minds of Appalachians, negro slaves and nazi Germans in your posts.  I blame the electrode in the amygdala.



But seriously: this 'you are projecting' by the likes of you, bombastic teapot and the rest of the TDS kids is ridiculous. It is what you would have shouted in the schoolyard: I know you arre but what am I?

Childish. Perhaps because emotionally none of you have moved very far from those days.

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Reply #24 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 12:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 12:00pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:52am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:11am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 8:33am:
No

It's easier to get your own way when you establish a frame of

This is me.
I'm Trump
I like cash and pussy.
The system is corrupt and I'm going to pull back the  curtain and show you how to work the system

Unless you know him well, you project a lot about Trump's mind in your posts.

That'd be his big lie, over bothering with lots of little ones... the standard malignant narcissist frame: invincible, omniscient, omnipotent... the rest is left to the fawner to paint within the lines.

Which gives you something in common with Germans between 1933 and 1945 (and for some way beyond then), and American slaves...

The former we all know well.

The latter would often compete with each other over who had the greater Massa by constructing hyperboles of their respective Massa's power, intelligence, wisdom, strength and wealth.



you project a lot about Trump's the minds of Appalachians, negro slaves and nazi Germans in your posts.  I blame the electrode in the amygdala.



But seriously: this 'you are projecting' by the likes of you, bombastic teapot and the rest of the TDS kids is ridiculous. It is what you would have shouted in the schoolyard: I know you arre but what am I?

Childish. Perhaps because emotionally none of you have moved very far from those days.


We all know what you project, Agatha Frank (they/them).
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Reply #25 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:04pm
 
Carl D wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:49am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:08am:
Carl D wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:24am:
Funny, I always thought the role of any government and its leader (President in the case of the United States) was to serve the people and improve their living conditions and health, etc.

My bad... I should have known better (I did, I'm just being sarcastic). The role of governments these days.. and it's been like this for a long time.. is to make as much money for themselves as they can and screw the people (literally screw them in a few cases as we've seen).

Must be the reason why I see Australia's government referred to as "gov.corp" fairly often on some forums.


Yep.
The role of a leader should be to serve the public.
It rarely is.
It is to get re elected and do a good PR job.

The role of a citizen should be to contribute to the nation,  the community , the workplace and improve society
It rarely is.
It is to extract maximal resources from the nation whilst limiting contribution as much as possible.

You yourself are proud that this is your behaviour Carl.

You can hardly complain about it when you are the problem  Embarrassed


I'm 68, retired and on the pension you muppet.

What is it exactly that you think I should be doing right now? Building roads? Bricklaying? Brain surgeon? (now that's an idea, pays quite a lot too. Can I practice on your brain to start with (assuming I can find it, might need a magnifying glass)?

Smiley



Enormous opportunities to contribute.
I can name a half dozen farmers in their 80s.


Why not do seasonal fruit and vegetables picking?
Get fit, fresh air, meet people, make cash, see the country. Contribute 😀
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Reply #26 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:15pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:04pm:
Enormous opportunities to contribute.
I can name a half dozen farmers in their 80s.


Why not do seasonal fruit and vegetables picking?
Get fit, fresh air, meet people, make cash, see the country. Contribute 😀


Nah, brain surgeon still sounds good.

Now, come here and let me practice. I've already done the scan.

Where's that magnifying glass gone?
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Reply #27 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:29pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 11:20am:
As for not being willing to think.
I would say I am interested in thinking and not just conforming with the leftie or rightie herd.

Thoughts on Trump?

He reflects the reality that the days of relying on government to provide you with a secure and meaningful life are over.

AI was going to produce the same result.

If you want a meaningful rich creative joyful life , you are going to have to learn and observe and take total personal responsibility for creating it.

Or just get whacked out on pot, grog, porn , complaining gossiping. Eating sugar and fat. Netflix. Politics. Gambling.

You can live a great life or you can live in
COPE A TOPIA.

The overwhelming majority will do the latter.
I wish them well.
They are still gods creations.
Like the cattle and the sheep 🐑


Your take on Trump isn't original or insightful, it's the same excuse-making that's been circulating since 2016. You don't defend his actions, you just wave them away by appealing to some inevitable collapse of government and personal responsibility fairy tale.

"Personal responsibility" isn't a shield for ignoring systemic abuse, moral decay, or political corruption. It's just what people say when they've run out of actual arguments and still want to feel superior.

And this fantasy you peddle, that the masses are lost in "COPE A TOPIA" while you alone have transcended into higher consciousness, it's not enlightenment, it's narcissism with a spiritual filter. Your idea of "thinking" seems to involve looking down on everyone else from a cloud of smug metaphors and acting like that's wisdom.

You're not breaking away from the herd. You're just another guy selling detachment as depth because real engagement takes effort, and risk.

It's almost funny, really, after all your grandstanding about noble, risk-taking men, you end up using that same mythos to mask just how risk-averse you are when it comes to the only threat that seems to actually matter to you...

Having your beliefs dragged into contact with reality.
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Reply #28 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:39pm
 
Good feedback.
Food for thought
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Reply #29 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:41pm
 
Carl D wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:15pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:04pm:
Enormous opportunities to contribute.
I can name a half dozen farmers in their 80s.


Why not do seasonal fruit and vegetables picking?
Get fit, fresh air, meet people, make cash, see the country. Contribute 😀


Nah, brain surgeon still sounds good.

Now, come here and let me practice. I've already done the scan.

Where's that magnifying glass gone?



No problem Carl
Enjoy the great indoors
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