Yadda wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 5:05pm:


i.e.



Because there seems to be, no practical way of reforming [our] 'democracy'
[for a democratic system which has any built-in flaws].

Because our elected officials [i.e. our parliamentarians, and the executive of government] are also those persons,
who have access to all possible 'levers' of reform [of our current political system of 'representative government'].

And it seems, that they [our parliamentarians, and the executive of our government]
see no advantage to their own 'circumstances',
to bring any accountability,
for any bad actions [through their choices] and for any negative consequences, of their choices.

'Democracy' in Australia, in its current iteration, is a very flawed system.

And this circumstance, is a 'feather bed', for our parliamentarians.

There is no incentive for improvement, of its systems.


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A bureaucrat is said to oppose any change, except that which increases his own power.
- ?

Our voting system leads to an election stolen from he voting public every time - it is a measure set in place to retain the power of the central parties.

What needs to be made clear to voters is where preferences are going, and they must be given the option of saying NO preferences.

If there were a box that says "Tick if you do not wish your vote preferenced" - I would tick it every time.

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 5:41pm:



I think you are giving the average chode way more agency then the average chode has.

" established democracies have mechanisms.."

FD.
This is a political forum and it has only a few members.

The Collingwood football forum has 60,000 active members.
Jack Russell's of Australia on FB
when I post a pic of my puppy. You get 2000 likes.

People just have zero interest in politics.
They aren't usually even aware if they are lined up to elect a premier or a PM.

I would say that even people like Smith and white knight have elite political awareness in comparison to your average Joe lunchbox.

You will never get them off tiktok and temu to focus on a "democracy".

They simply don't rate it as important

Smart pollies like Donald meet people where they are at.
Trump has very little interest in politics and when the uncalibrated lefties go apeshit, they kind of look stupid.
They look like a Collingwood fan going apeshit when the ref awards a free kick against them. They look way too invested in a trivial pursuit

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2025 at 9:54am:



The problem with personal agency or personal responsibility is that it requires more investment of mental capital ( thinking) by the population.

And that requires effort.

A smaller government,  the idea of the American founding fathers would have people more agentic and engaged in democracy.

Big government overwhelmed people who are already exhausted from their long commutes, their lame jobs.

Note governments do little to reduce alcohol and junk food which further beats people down.
Now it's pot legalisation which further numbs people.

At this point, it's just not possible for people who are living on autopilot to have agency.

This suits the politicians who have increasingly disengaged voters,  the more the government takes over everything

And it probably suits the individual automaton who doesn't have to think and can just seek pleasure comfort and safety.

I doubt pleasure comfort safety and living on autopilot is what the founding fathers in America ( possibly the most successful democracy) envisioned

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 8:00am:


So...can you suggest how to fix this fault in democracies (- "the worst form of government"...)?

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 21^st, 2025 at 2:32pm:


Voting by delegable proxy.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1358051073

Proportional representation also fixes it.