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Re: an organisation for promoting democracy
Reply #15 - Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:26pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 5:31pm:

Probably not the best examples Bobby.

Adolf is the best example.
He won the vote in a country that was considered very culturally advanced.
Then he used all the tricks that propagandists use to assume control.
I think humans circa 2025 are probably less awake then Germans circa 1933, so it can definitely happen again .

Some think Trump is Hitler like.
He certainly knows how to connect with the common person
He knows how to pump patriotism
He knows how to public speak

I doubt he is going to invade Poland but Canada and Greenland may represent liebensraum Wink

Die partei ist Hitler. Hitler aber ist Deutschland wie Deutschland Hitler ist. Hitler sieg heil.

Hitler was very effective in the early years. Built the autobahns.
If you went and helped build them, you got a little stamp in a book every day you went and when your book was full of stamps you got a vw.
He got the youth all out doing physical exercise and bushwalking and mountain climbing
He knew how to raise the vibration.

But he should have retired to the eagles nest in 1938 and gone back to painting watercolours.
A man's got to know his limitations .

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia in June 1941 then Russia would
have invaded Germany 2 years later.
Stalin would have been ready in June 1943.

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Reply #16 - Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 5:31pm:

Probably not the best examples Bobby.

Adolf is the best example.
He won the vote in a country that was considered very culturally advanced.
Then he used all the tricks that propagandists use to assume control.
I think humans circa 2025 are probably less awake then Germans circa 1933, so it can definitely happen again .

Some think Trump is Hitler like.
He certainly knows how to connect with the common person
He knows how to pump patriotism
He knows how to public speak

I doubt he is going to invade Poland but Canada and Greenland may represent liebensraum Wink

Die partei ist Hitler. Hitler aber ist Deutschland wie Deutschland Hitler ist. Hitler sieg heil.

Hitler was very effective in the early years. Built the autobahns.
If you went and helped build them, you got a little stamp in a book every day you went and when your book was full of stamps you got a vw.
He got the youth all out doing physical exercise and bushwalking and mountain climbing
He knew how to raise the vibration.

But he should have retired to the eagles nest in 1938 and gone back to painting watercolours.
A man's got to know his limitations .

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia in June 1941 then Russia would
have invaded Germany 2 years later.
Stalin would have been ready in June 1943.

A better IF game is what if he had not invaded Russia and didn't believe Britain could have been swayed his way and and took Britain first up? No British or American support for Russia... Not that IFs can ever mean anything after the fact.

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Re: an organisation for promoting democracy
Reply #17 - Aug 18^th, 2025 at 7:24pm

Setanta wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:23pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

A man's got to know his limitations .

The superior man has no limitations, you've spent too long sitting on the couch eating pizza and drinking coke. Grab a carrot, grab a stick!

The superior man moves into a paradigm, masters it, realizes it is not ultimately fulfilling
and transcends it.

A young man should chase pussy and cash.
Both will reach him valuable lessons.
Then he realizes these have limitations and he moves on.

A 40 yo who still was obsessed with banking cash and pussy has stalled.

But a broke incel who never took the risk to put himself out there.
Who married fat janeen and took a lame easy job hasn't stalled, he never even left the starting line.

In the end you have to know when to make the paradigm shift.

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Re: an organisation for promoting democracy
Reply #18 - Aug 18^th, 2025 at 7:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:23pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

A man's got to know his limitations .

The superior man has no limitations, you've spent too long sitting on the couch eating pizza and drinking coke. Grab a carrot, grab a stick!

The superior man moves into a paradigm, masters it, realizes it is not ultimately fulfilling
and transcends it.

Moves into realestate, tries the presidency, not fulfilling enough, transcends it all and sits on the couch with Janine? Pizza, Coke, romcoms, he's smashing it.

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Re: an organisation for promoting democracy
Reply #19 - Aug 18^th, 2025 at 9:38pm

Setanta wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:26pm:

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia in June 1941 then Russia would
have invaded Germany 2 years later.
Stalin would have been ready in June 1943.

A better IF game is what if he had not invaded Russia and didn't believe Britain could have been swayed his way and and took Britain first up? No British or American support for Russia... Not that IFs can ever mean anything after the fact.

Nahh - in some ways WW2 was inevitable -

the Treaty of Versailles set it up.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16356 Gender:	Re: an organisation for promoting democracy Reply #20 - Aug 18^th, 2025 at 10:13pm freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2025 at 10:33am: I think we need a strong international organisation to promote democracy. Something like the UN, but without the dictators. So, no China, then... Would you exclude Russia as well?
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Re: an organisation for promoting democracy
Reply #21 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 7:21am

Ummmmmm -

it depends on what sort of democracy?

In Australia Albo got only one third of the primary vote
yet has a thumping landslide majority in Parliament. WTF?

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) - North Korea -
calls itself a democracy. WTF?

Democratic Russian electoral employees went to people's houses
in the Donbas and other areas of Ukraine and got
people to vote while they had sub machine guns pointed at them.
That sounds fair. WTF?

In democratic Russia Putin kills his opposition candidates. WTF?

In democratic China the CCP has only one party. WTF?

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Re: an organisation for promoting democracy
Reply #22 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 8:00am

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In Australia Albo got only one third of the primary vote
yet has a thumping landslide majority in Parliament. WTF?

This is the result of single member electorates.

But no democracy avoids this problem. There can only be one government and one government policy, no matter how many different opinions the people have.

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Reply #23 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 1:36pm

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 8:00am:

Quote:

In Australia Albo got only one third of the primary vote
yet has a thumping landslide majority in Parliament. WTF?

This is the result of single member electorates.

But no democracy avoids this problem. There can only be one government and one government policy, no matter how many different opinions the people have.

But 2 out of 3 people never voted for him. Undecided

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: an organisation for promoting democracy Reply #24 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 1:41pm Single member electorates and preferential voting. Was this your first election, Booby? Labor at least increased its primary vote.
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Re: an organisation for promoting democracy
Reply #25 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 1:49pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2025 at 1:41pm:

Single member electorates and preferential voting. Was this your first election, Booby? Labor at least increased its primary vote.

Shut up poof -
if he has 1/3rd of the vote he should have 1/3rd of the seats in parliament -
not a thumping, landslide majority.
Our voting system is not fair.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: an organisation for promoting democracy Reply #26 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 1:51pm You are the poof. He got the majority of votes in a majority of seats after preferences were distributed.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52172 At my desk.	Re: an organisation for promoting democracy Reply #27 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 3:05pm Quote: if he has 1/3rd of the vote he should have 1/3rd of the seats in parliament Why is that Bobby? To be fair to the seats?
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Re: an organisation for promoting democracy
Reply #28 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 4:38pm

"an organisation for promoting democracy"

.......just like the democracy which we all enjoy in Australia, in 2025 ??

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2025 at 6:58am:

Can I assume from the lack of response that no-one has a problem with this?

The endorsement of democracy is the endorsement, of mob rule.
- ?

The essence of a democracy is mob rule.
- ?

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
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"Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
- John Adams

Peace without freedom, is oppression.
Peace without justice, is a tyranny.
- European leader [on tv, 2023-Sep-13 Wed, 7:23 am]

A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
- Gary Strand

He that makes himself a sheep, shall be eaten by wolves.
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A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
A Republic: The flock gets to vote for which wolves vote on dinner.
A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden, and The sheep are armed.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52172 At my desk.	Re: an organisation for promoting democracy Reply #29 - Aug 19^th, 2025 at 4:40pm Are you trying to say something Yadda?
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