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Calls For A 5 Year Plan To Limit Negative Gearing
Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:01am
 
ACTU boss Sally McManus calls for five-year plan to limit negative gearing, CGT concessions to one investment property
A controversial policy which has been a thorn in Labor’s side could be back on the cards, after one of Australia’s most powerful union bosses urged the party to “bite the bullet”.   Smiley


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August 3, 2025

Union boss Sally McManus has urged Labor to “bite the bullet” and slash tax benefits for Australians with invest properties through a five-year plan which would only allow people to access the tax incentives on one home.

Speaking to the ABC, the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) secretary said the changes were needed to tackle intergenerational inequity and calm soaring house prices which have locked young people out of the market.

Under the ACTU’s proposal, which will be debated at the Jim Chalmers’ Economic Reform Roundtable in August, both negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions would be limited to one investment property.

Current conditions would be grandfathered for the next five years for existing homes “to allow people to adjust”.

The move would also annually add about $1.5bn to the budget, or $6bn over the forward estimates.

“One of the biggest issues in terms of living standards for younger people in Australia is the issue of housing affordability. It’s the number one issue. We need to address it,” Ms McManus said on Sunday.

ACTU secretary Sally McManus urged Labor to ‘bite the bullet’ and enact the changes.

“Young people should have the same aspirations as the generations before them, and at the moment, then don’t. It’s been wiped out by the fact that the housing prices have gone up twice the rate of wages over the last 25 years.”

She said the provisions would target the “small number of investors” who own “25 per cent of investment properties”.

Ms McManus quoted a study from the NSW Productivity Commission in 2024, which found the state was losing about 7000 people aged between 30 to 40 years old a year - something that could result in Sydney being a city with no grandchildren.


“That has been driving or fuelling the housing prices. I don’t think that we ever intended even for this to happen as a result of these tax measures but this is where we’re at,” she said.

“Unless we change it, working people can’t live where they work. They can’t live where they grew up.”

Asked whether Labor had the political will to enact the changes, she urged Labor to “bite bullet” and be “brave enough to do something about it”.

If not, they would be at risk of “abandoning” the younger generations,” she added.

“We’re going to go and argue it. We’re going to advocate for it. In the end, the Government will make their decisions based on what they think is the national interest. We would say that it is in the national interest,” she said.

Previously, Labor has unsuccessfully taken changes to negative gearing and capital gains concessions to the 2016 and 2019 federal elections under former opposition leader Bill Shorten, before Anthony Albanese ended the policies.

However the government has faced pressure from grassroots advocacy group Labor for Housing to reconsider the concessions.
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Re: Calls For A 5 Year Plan To Limit Negative Gearing
Reply #1 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:21am
 
WK, due to think it is a good idea to send a small business bankrupt by giving them a big tax bill in a year when they make little or no net profit after paying interest on their loans?

How many different threads do you think you have started on this topic?
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Reply #2 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:59am
 

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It’s been wiped out by the fact that the housing prices
have gone up twice the rate of wages over the last 25 years.


The real reason is mass, uncontrolled immigration.
Millions of people have arrived here with nowhere to live.
I think by the end of this year alone we will have 600,000 more.
We have up to 12 people living in one bedroom flats and units -
the politicians have turned Australian cities into Calcutta slums.

Why aren't there calls to slash immigration?


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Reply #3 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:40pm
 
Millionaires, tax breaks for property investors in unions’ sights   Smiley

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August 3, 2025

Negative gearing would be restricted to a single property, millionaires and family trusts would pay at least 25 per cent of their income in tax, and building approvals would be accelerated on everything from housing to large energy projects, under a union proposal to improve living standards.

The Australian Council of Trade Unions today revealed its submission to the Albanese government’s three-day economic roundtable at which it will have two seats, outlining proposals that would raise up to $25 billion in revenue that could be pumped back into services such as the National Disability Insurance Scheme and healthcare.

ACTU secretary Sally McManus will outline a broad agenda of tax increases and regulation overhauls.


Just days after most of the business community rejected a proposal from the Productivity Commission to cut the company tax rate, while introducing a world-first cashflow tax, the ACTU has outlined an agenda unlikely to win corporate or government support.

But ACTU national secretary Sally McManus said the living standards of Australians, particularly younger generations priced out of an increasingly expensive housing market, had to be paramount in any discussion about productivity reform.


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She said wages growth had not kept up with productivity levels over the past two decades, accusing businesses of grabbing disproportionate levels of the improvements in efficiency that boosted profit levels, but leaving little for workers.

“One of the reasons that productivity has slowed in Australia is that companies have directed profits into share buybacks, into dividends to shareholders and into bonuses,” she told this masthead.

“Working people are very careful about wanting to engage in a discussion about productivity, given what’s happened to them.”

Under the ACTU’s proposals, negative gearing and the 50 per cent capital gains tax concession would be restricted to a single home. Existing investors would be grandfathered from the changes for five years.



Their submission backs changes to superannuation performance tests so they can invest in the property sector, and recommends that planning rules be altered to accelerate the construction of new homes.

This week, figures from property analytics company Cotality showed median property values lifted another 0.6 per cent nationally, having increased every month since the Reserve Bank started cutting official interest rates in February.

The ACTU is proposing changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax that it believes would help younger Australians into the property market.
The ACTU is proposing changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax that it believes would help younger Australians into the property market.

The median house value in Sydney has now surpassed $1.5 million, it is above $1 million in Brisbane, and Canberra is likely to reach that level in the coming months.

McManus said levelling the playing field between property investors and first-time buyers had to be on the government’s agenda, while the ACTU also backed reforms to regulations around planning and construction to get more properties built.

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“This is the most important issue when it comes to addressing living standards, given what we have now is particularly unfair for younger generations,” she told this masthead.

“People need to be able to live near where they work.”

Figures released last month by the Australian Taxation Office revealed that 91 people in the 2022-23 financial year had income of more than $1 million but paid no tax.

The ACTU wants changes to the nation’s tax laws that would require people earning more than $1 million to face at least a 25 per cent tax impost.

While many financial trusts pay at least 25 per cent in tax, the union movement wants that set as a minimum level for all trusts.

The nation’s oil and gas companies would face a 25 per cent “energy levy” on exports of LNG, while a $20 million cap would be set for businesses that claim fuel tax credits.


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In total, the ACTU’s proposals would raise about $25 billion in additional revenue. Treasurer Jim Chalmers has told organisations he wants ideas that are either budget-neutral or improve the budget bottom line.

McManus said apart from channelling that revenue into improved services, the union movement wanted improvements to regulations on the construction of major projects, particularly those instrumental to the net-zero transition. “We need to get yes or no on projects quicker,” she said.

McManus is one of two ACTU representatives to be part of the roundtable that will be held between August 19 and 21.

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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:50pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:40pm:
Income tax out-paced wages as rates and inflation started to bite



Seeing as income tax is a percentage of wages, how is that even possible?
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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:05pm
 
i think they should look at limiting it to one or two properties.
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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:11pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:50pm:
whiteknight wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:40pm:
Income tax out-paced wages as rates and inflation started to bite



Seeing as income tax is a percentage of wages, how is that even possible?


Bracket creep I expect.

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i think they should look at limiting it to one or two properties.


There is an infinite variety of investments that are covered by what is collectively called negative gearing. From small business loans to loans to buy shares to loans for investment properties. At the moment, they are all treated the same under tax, with the exception of the family home, which gets a CG exemption but not negative gearing.

Union proposals tend to ignore this reality. They are essentially a blank page with some very simplified mantras in the title.
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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:15pm
 
you are the only one pretending this is about loans for small business or shares Roll Eyes
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Under the ACTU’s proposal, which will be debated at the Jim Chalmers’ Economic Reform Roundtable in August, both negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions would be limited to one investment property.


Does that sound like it would exclude negative gearing for shares?
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freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:18pm:
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Under the ACTU’s proposal, which will be debated at the Jim Chalmers’ Economic Reform Roundtable in August, both negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions would be limited to one investment property.


Does that sound like it would exclude negative gearing for shares?


No, it sounds to me like they're discussing NG used for property. Why? Do you think limiting NG used to buy shares would make it easier for first home buyers?
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John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:32pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:18pm:
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Under the ACTU’s proposal, which will be debated at the Jim Chalmers’ Economic Reform Roundtable in August, both negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions would be limited to one investment property.


Does that sound like it would exclude negative gearing for shares?


No, it sounds to me like they're discussing NG used for property. Why? Do you think limiting NG used to buy shares would make it easier for first home buyers?


Yes, that is also a reasonable guess. Do you think the unions knows what they are proposing?

Do you think it makes sense to investment property different under tax law to every other type of investment?
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Reply #11 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:32pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:18pm:
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Under the ACTU’s proposal, which will be debated at the Jim Chalmers’ Economic Reform Roundtable in August, both negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions would be limited to one investment property.


Does that sound like it would exclude negative gearing for shares?


No, it sounds to me like they're discussing NG used for property. Why? Do you think limiting NG used to buy shares would make it easier for first home buyers?


Yes, that is also a reasonable guess. Do you think the unions knows what they are proposing?

Do you think it makes sense to investment property different under tax law to every other type of investment?



i think you should stop making things up. Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:53pm
 
I am not making it up. I am taking what they say at face value. I conceded to you that this is a dangerous thing to do with the unions, and you may be right that they did not mean what they say. But you would only be guessing. As would WK. As would the unions themselves, I expect.
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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 4:07pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:01am:
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Speaking to the ABC, the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) secretary said the changes were needed to tackle intergenerational inequity and calm soaring house prices which have locked young people out of the market.



Median house price in Sydney is over $1.5 million.

A couple would need combined income over $300K a year to qualify for a loan.
Repayments would be just over $9K a month for 30 years.

Changes to negative gearing can't fix this problem all it will do is reduce the amount of rental properties resulting in rent increases.
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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 4:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:53pm:
I am not making it up



yes you are
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