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Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil
Reply #15 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:53am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:56am:
Forget that Trump is involved for a minute. Are there genuine problems in Brazil?


Sorry, at what point has a US prez personally lawfared a foreign judge for hearing a case?

We'll save you the bother of answering this, shall we?

Oh look, you've gone.
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Reply #16 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:00am
 
America interferes with foreign countries all the time.
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Reply #17 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:03am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:33am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 6:55pm:
Frank is exactly the type of idiot Trump was referring to when he said that he could shoot someone in cold blood in front of him, and he'd still support him


Absolutely.

There's nothing Trump can do that crosses the line for Frank.

Rape?  He's fine with that.

Fraud?  No problem.

Stealing from kids' cancer charities?  All good.

And now we have him defending Trump over the Epstein files.

Disturbing, to say the least.


That's not entirely fair, Frank may agree that if Trump is in the Epstein files and he's proven to have sexually abused children that he'll want Trump to face justice.


Lol    Grin

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Reply #18 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:56am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:12am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:02am:
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:56am:
Forget that Trump is involved for a minute. Are there genuine problems in Brazil?


Bolsonaro refused to accept the results of the election in which he lost (sound familiar?), and he and his supporters attempted to remove the elected government in a coup, which failed. Sure, his supporters are saying he wasn't involved, just as MAGA say Trump had no role in the J6 insurrection. That's why Bolsonaro is before the Court in Brazil, to give him the opportunity to defend himself before a Judge. If he's innocent, that will surely come through. Trump inserting himself into the judicial process of a sovereign nation is beyond appalling, but hardly surprising when it comes to Trump.


And it would be the same if it were any other external world leader interfering, not just Trump.

I can't imagine Americans would be ok if the roles were reversed.


No other world leader is interfering.
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Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil
Reply #19 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:00am:
America interferes with foreign countries all the time.


Oh, well if they do it all the time, who cares?

Sounds a lot like the Trump/Epstein defense...
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Reply #20 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:19am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:00am:
America interferes with foreign countries all the time.


Oh, well if they do it all the time, who cares?

Sounds a lot like the Trump/Epstein defense...


I guess asking people to stop thinking about Trump for 5 minutes was asking too much.
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Reply #21 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:00am:
America interferes with foreign countries all the time.


Oh. You came back for a half-hearted they're-all-as-bad-as-each-other. How courageous of you.

Now, you were asked which US prez has ever lawfared a foreign judge for hearing a case. You can't possibly defend this behaviour, so you'll never say. Instead, you'll hum and you'll ha and you'll do what all those awful meanies you used to bitch at do.

You'll snivel, wring your hands and spinelessly apologize for you-know-who.

The evolution is complete, FD. Free trade, the rule of law, sustainability. All those noble aspirations you once lectured everybody on - gone. Now you're defending an authoritarian regime attacking judges for doing justice.

But I'm curious. If you can fall for fascism so easily, what would it take for you to return to your former self?

Is there a hypnotic word that suddenly brings you to? A mystical incantation? A spell?

We promise not to say Abu.

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Reply #22 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:49pm
 
A foreign policy stance is not interference.

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Reply #23 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:41pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:49pm:
A foreign policy stance is not interference.



Oh, I see. So freezing judges' bank accounts for hearing trials is a foreign policy stance, is it?

Sorry, only now. You were ever so toosh when the Kenyan gave Iranian citizens their frozen funds back, but we at least agreed that was foreign policy. Stopping a country developing nukes is a clear example of a sound foreign policy. Pity your DL chose to end it

Meddling in a country's judicial system is not foreign policy. Targeting individual judges is not foreign policy either, it's revenge.

Bolsonaro attempted a coup. If your DL has evidence to the contrary, he's free to provide it to Bolsonaro's  lawyers. Bolsonaro is no longer in office, so has no possible status as a subject of foreign policy.

As for your DL's claims of censorship, every country has laws on social media. The Brazilian government is perfectly free to shut Twitter down, as is Australia. We should follow the Brazilian example. If you publish lies on social media, you should have them exposed. If you repeat them, you should be banned. If you create bots to spread fake news, you should be prosecuted. If social media companies don't comply, they should be shut down. We get to say who comes to our country and the manner in which they come, not Zuckerberg and Musk.

That's my policy. I have no right to force it on any other country and call it foreign policy. You're just using Sloppy Steve's buzzwords to water down US interventionism. Hitler's annexure of Czechoslovakia was just a foreign policy position too, no?

At least Hitler had principles. Your DL is walking around the playground picking fights. Canada, Mexico, the EU, Brazil. He'll fuck over us if he's given a chance. Your DL is pushing for war, and he'll start one too. He's only just begun.

When he does, you'll call it just another foreign policy position and support it unequivocally, as you do.

Yes, Master.
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Reply #24 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:07am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:59pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:58pm:
Trump has steped WAY over the line in Brazil, sanctioning a Judge overseeing a criminal case against former President Bolsonaro, who made an attempted coup when he lost his election for the Presidency. He is also imposing 50% tariffs on the country because of the Court case against Bolsonaro, the former strongman of Brazil. We are familiar with Trump going over the line in many areas, but to interfere in the justice system of another country is indefensible.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlzn72eg25o




This is just the beginning.


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Reply #25 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 9:00am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:49pm:
A foreign policy stance is not interference.



This isn't foreign policy. This is a personal friendship between Trump and Bolsonaro.
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Reply #26 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 10:23am
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:07am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:59pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:58pm:
Trump has steped WAY over the line in Brazil, sanctioning a Judge overseeing a criminal case against former President Bolsonaro, who made an attempted coup when he lost his election for the Presidency. He is also imposing 50% tariffs on the country because of the Court case against Bolsonaro, the former strongman of Brazil. We are familiar with Trump going over the line in many areas, but to interfere in the justice system of another country is indefensible.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlzn72eg25o




This is just the beginning.


Of better things to come. Smiley


Indeed.

Trump is old and unwell, so he'll die in the not too distant future.

So yes, better things to come.

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Reply #27 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:39am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:41pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:49pm:
A foreign policy stance is not interference.



Oh, I see. So freezing judges' bank accounts for hearing trials is a foreign policy stance, is it?

Sorry, only now. You were ever so toosh when the Kenyan gave Iranian citizens their frozen funds back, but we at least agreed that was foreign policy. Stopping a country developing nukes is a clear example of a sound foreign policy. Pity your DL chose to end it

Meddling in a country's judicial system is not foreign policy. Targeting individual judges is not foreign policy either, it's revenge.

Bolsonaro attempted a coup. If your DL has evidence to the contrary, he's free to provide it to Bolsonaro's  lawyers. Bolsonaro is no longer in office, so has no possible status as a subject of foreign policy.

As for your DL's claims of censorship, every country has laws on social media. The Brazilian government is perfectly free to shut Twitter down, as is Australia. We should follow the Brazilian example. If you publish lies on social media, you should have them exposed. If you repeat them, you should be banned. If you create bots to spread fake news, you should be prosecuted. If social media companies don't comply, they should be shut down. We get to say who comes to our country and the manner in which they come, not Zuckerberg and Musk.

That's my policy. I have no right to force it on any other country and call it foreign policy. You're just using Sloppy Steve's buzzwords to water down US interventionism. Hitler's annexure of Czechoslovakia was just a foreign policy position too, no?

At least Hitler had principles. Your DL is walking around the playground picking fights. Canada, Mexico, the EU, Brazil. He'll fuck over us if he's given a chance. Your DL is pushing for war, and he'll start one too. He's only just begun.

When he does, you'll call it just another foreign policy position and support it unequivocally, as you do.

Yes, Master.


That's enough grimacing and tap-dancing.

For example, Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes has abused his judicial authority to target political opponents, shield corrupt allies, and suppress dissent, often in coordination with other Brazilian officials.  Justice de Moraes has authorized politically motivated police raids, arrests, and bank account freezes.  He has also authorized the confiscation of passports, jailed individuals without trial for social media posts, opened unprecedented criminal investigations, including into United States citizens for their constitutionally protected speech in the United States, and issued secret orders to United States social media companies to censor thousands of posts and de-platform dozens of political critics, including United States persons, for lawful speech on United States soil.  When United States and United States-headquartered companies have refused to comply with his unlawful censorship demands, Justice de Moraes has imposed substantial fines on United States and United States-headquartered companies, ordered the suspension of United States and United States-headquartered companies in Brazil, and threatened United States and United States-headquartered company executives with criminal prosecution.  In fact, Justice de Moraes is currently overseeing the Government of Brazil’s criminal prosecution of a United States resident for speech he made on United States soil.
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Reply #28 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 12:58pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:41pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:49pm:
A foreign policy stance is not interference.





As for your DL's claims of censorship, every country has laws on social media. The Brazilian government is perfectly free to shut Twitter down, as is Australia. We should follow the Brazilian example. If you publish lies on social media, you should have them exposed. If you repeat them, you should be banned. If you create bots to spread fake news, you should be prosecuted. If social media companies don't comply, they should be shut down. We get to say who comes to our country and the manner in which they come, not Zuckerberg and Musk.

That's my policy. I have no right to force it on any other country and call it foreign policy. You're just using Sloppy Steve's buzzwords to water down US interventionism. Hitler's annexure of Czechoslovakia was just a foreign policy position too, no?

At least Hitler had principles. Your DL is walking around the playground picking fights. Canada, Mexico, the EU, Brazil. He'll fuck over us if he's given a chance. Your DL is pushing for war, and he'll start one too. He's only just begun.

When he does, you'll call it just another foreign policy position and support it unequivocally, as you do.

Yes, Master.

In October 2014 a highly distressing Facebook post showed half a dozen or so deceased children. The headline screamed “Child Genocide in Palestine” (again, sound familiar?). It went on to claim “614 Palestinian children murdered by the Israeli IDF forces”. Except they weren’t. The image was of Syrian children, murdered by the Assad regime in 2013 in a chemical weapons attack near Damascus. This image was first published originally by National Geographic.

The post was a lie. The words were lies. And this “story” was shared countless times in a few days, seen by millions across multiple platforms. Blatant, deliberate lies. The news outlets who publish them are lying. The politicians, the actors and people of influence who share them, perpetuators and collaborators with those lies.

What I’m describing here isn’t new. Come back in time with me to the northern autumn of 1944. Nazi propagandists made a film and the subject was Theresienstadt, the concentration camp in Czechoslovakia.

A quick history lesson. This film was made after German authorities successfully deceived the Red Cross (what a shock …), which visited the camp after pressure from the Danish government, anxious about the fate of Danish Jews. In a now-famous example of how far the Nazis were prepared to go in order to carry out their Final Solution, they gave the death camp an elaborate facelift that made it look like a spa town. They built a swimming pool and landscaped the gardens. The Red Cross delegation was thrilled; nothing to see here, they told the Danes, and the Nazis realised the weapon they had created. The film was made, every person in it was a prisoner. Many of them were executed at the camp where 33,000 Jews were murdered.

This propaganda told the world all was well. It said, look! Jews are retiring here, living well here, celebrating their culture here! That film became a key tool in the plan to deceive the world about what was really going on in Theresienstadt, in Treblinka, Auschwitz, Dachau and all the other death camps. As deadly as an atomic bomb, these lies condemned so many to death, while useful idiots in the West believe it all. Sound familiar?

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Reply #29 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:00pm
 

Stop defending genocide, criminals, rapists and paedophiles.

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