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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52938 Gender:	Re: Sydney Harbour Bridge to close Reply #300 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:04pm mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:49am: They did not live in peace. Seriouy, can you actually be this ignorant? Sooooo..... what IS the difference between life in Gaza on 6 October 2023 and today? Anything?
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Reply #301 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:08pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

Our God is not theirs.

Something that many of the Abrahamic faiths misunderstand...

Yes, monotheism necessarily requires there be only one god... that's not in dispute.

What is in dispute is the nature and the focus of the one god.

For Jews, it's justice and law.

For Christians, it's forgiveness and love.

For Muslims, it's brotherhood and unity.

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Reply #302 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:14pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Well, this is a quote from the personal memoirs of Nahum Goldman in 1978. It is Goldman's recollection of what Ben Gurion might have said 30+ years earlier. Also referenced, with that source, by Benny Morris in 2008.

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Reply #303 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:17pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

And patently obvious to all in the years immediately after WW2.

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Reply #304 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

What about freedom and democracy Meister?

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Reply #305 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:29pm

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Well, this is a quote from the personal memoirs of Nahum Goldman in 1978. It is Goldman's recollection of what Ben Gurion might have said 30+ years earlier. Also referenced, with that source, by Benny Morris in 2008.

Want some more Soren or you happy to quit just a few light years behind?

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Reply #306 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:30pm

European resistance to the transportation of European Jews into the British Mandate of Palestine immediately after WW2 was muted by the daily revelations of Holocaust atrocities.

It left the Allies hand-wringing and half-hearted, both in attempts to stridently prevent it or vociferously encourage it.

It was the Zionists' Overton Window, which everybody, Jews in particular, believed would close as the world's public became increasingly more desensitised to reports and visuals of Holocaust atrocities.

For Ben-Gurion and the Zionists, it was now or never.

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Reply #307 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:34pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Well, this is a quote from the personal memoirs of Nahum Goldman in 1978. It is Goldman's recollection of what Ben Gurion might have said 30+ years earlier. Also referenced, with that source, by Benny Morris in 2008.

Want some more Soren or you happy to quit just a few light years behind?

Very well, give us any other sources you might have.

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Reply #308 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:40pm

For Ben-Gurion and the rest, future Israeli freedom and democracy were subordinate to the safety, security and healing of Jewish Holocaust survivors, nearly all of whom had lost not just their immediate family, but their entire extended families, and many who were child orphans.

Who were all maimed from years of deprivation and torture, and, in many instances, almost permanently insane.

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Reply #309 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:41pm

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Well, this is a quote from the personal memoirs of Nahum Goldman in 1978. It is Goldman's recollection of what Ben Gurion might have said 30+ years earlier. Also referenced, with that source, by Benny Morris in 2008.

Want some more Soren or you happy to quit just a few light years behind?

Very well, give us any other sources you might have.

Knock yerself out!

Link.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77853 Gender:	Re: Sydney Harbour Bridge to close Reply #310 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:57pm freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:55am: When have I ever claimed that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic?
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Reply #311 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 2:13pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:41pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Well, this is a quote from the personal memoirs of Nahum Goldman in 1978. It is Goldman's recollection of what Ben Gurion might have said 30+ years earlier. Also referenced, with that source, by Benny Morris in 2008.

Want some more Soren or you happy to quit just a few light years behind?

Very well, give us any other sources you might have.

Knock yerself out!

Link.

As I said:
Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

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Reply #312 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 2:31pm

It also has to be said that many of the Holocaust survivors were the slickest, most street-wise, and many outright criminal, of European Jews.

In a political atmosphere where only the most cunning and/or the most lucky (barely) survived, it's hardly a surprise.

Many on Schindler's now-famous list were petty criminals, black marketeers, and former Jewish members of the Sonderkommando.

These personality types were essential for Zionists to do what had to be done to achieve their goals.

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Reply #313 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 2:42pm

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:41pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Well, this is a quote from the personal memoirs of Nahum Goldman in 1978. It is Goldman's recollection of what Ben Gurion might have said 30+ years earlier. Also referenced, with that source, by Benny Morris in 2008.

Want some more Soren or you happy to quit just a few light years behind?

Very well, give us any other sources you might have.

Knock yerself out!

Link.

As I said:
Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

Come on Soren, extend yourself a tad. Read the whole link for many of his candid statements.

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Reply #314 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 2:54pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 2:31pm:

It also has to be said that many of the Holocaust survivors were the slickest, most street-wise, and many outright criminal, of European Jews.

In a political atmosphere where only the most cunning and/or the most lucky (barely) survived, it's hardly a surprise.

Many on Schindler's now-famous list were petty criminals, black marketeers, and former Jewish members of the Sonderkommando.

These personality types were essential for Zionists to do what had to be done to achieve their goals.

You have seriously big problems in your mind.

Seek help quickly

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Don’t even think about being able to afford children at that bare minimum threshold.

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