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Re: Sydney Harbour Bridge to close
Reply #285 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:49am

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:43am:

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:39am:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:35am:

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:34am:

Gotta say i'm saddened that a march against a true and pressing genocide

As opposed to what? A fake and unimportant one?

What makes you think it is genocide mothra?

What makes you think that i'll engage with you?

Apologies Mothra. Allow me to rephrase the question.

What makes you say that it is genocide?

There is no reason for me to engage in debate on this subject with someone so idiotic they claim that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.

None at all.

Furthermore, it's you. You are the most duplicitous, disingenuous and deceitful poster on Ozpol. Enter into "debate" with you at your own peril. You will misrepresent, verbal, lie, and sensationalise with absolute abandon.

In all your socks!

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Re: Sydney Harbour Bridge to close
Reply #286 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:55am

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:43am:

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:39am:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:35am:

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:34am:

Gotta say i'm saddened that a march against a true and pressing genocide

As opposed to what? A fake and unimportant one?

What makes you think it is genocide mothra?

What makes you think that i'll engage with you?

Apologies Mothra. Allow me to rephrase the question.

What makes you say that it is genocide?

There is no reason for me to engage in debate on this subject with someone so idiotic they claim that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.

None at all.

Furthermore, it's you. You are the most duplicitous, disingenuous and deceitful poster on Ozpol. Enter into "debate" with you at your own peril. You will misrepresent, verbal, lie, and sensationalise with absolute abandon.

In all your socks!

When have I ever claimed that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic?

Spreading blatant lies about the Jews on behalf of terrorist organisations, and then refusing to explain why you say those things, does make it kind of hard to reach another conclusion.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16038 Gender:	Re: Sydney Harbour Bridge to close Reply #287 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:05am mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:35am: Crappler, please stop trying to use ellipses until you understand them. Thanks. He's indicating he's fallen asleep - a geriatric micronap.
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Reply #288 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:11am

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:34am:

Gotta say i'm saddened that a march against a true and pressing genocide stirs such resentment. Even sadder to see pop-politics the reason for it.

See me, for example, cares not a whit abot what the circumstances or politics are a person in need before i endeavor to offer my assistance, in whatever small or substantial way that may be. I've never been a fan of only calling out injustice when it suits my cause.

As has been said to all of you hysterics for years now, sides don't matter. Both have blood on them.

The fact you see only one side while the other piles with starving, diseased and blown asunder children's corpses is for you and your various gods to reconcile.

I already know what i think of you.

There was not one plackard, not one chant, not one banner calling for the release of hostages and the end of lobbing missiles indiscrimanetle at Israeli civilians.

So this 'march for humanity' is a load of Hamas inspired propaganga and the marchers were Hamas supporters.

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Reply #289 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:14am

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:11am:

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:34am:

Gotta say i'm saddened that a march against a true and pressing genocide stirs such resentment. Even sadder to see pop-politics the reason for it.

See me, for example, cares not a whit abot what the circumstances or politics are a person in need before i endeavor to offer my assistance, in whatever small or substantial way that may be. I've never been a fan of only calling out injustice when it suits my cause.

As has been said to all of you hysterics for years now, sides don't matter. Both have blood on them.

The fact you see only one side while the other piles with starving, diseased and blown asunder children's corpses is for you and your various gods to reconcile.

I already know what i think of you.

There was not one plackard, not one chant, not one banner calling for the release of hostages and the end of lobbing missiles indiscrimanetle at Israeli civilians.

So this 'march for humanity' is a load of Hamas inspired propaganga and the marchers were Hamas supporters.

And the Palestinian hostages in Israel?

Are you living in a vacuum?

But seriously, did you expect the allies in WW2 to put both cases forward for Adolf?

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Reply #290 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:22am

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:14am:

Frank wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:11am:

mothra wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 10:34am:

Gotta say i'm saddened that a march against a true and pressing genocide stirs such resentment. Even sadder to see pop-politics the reason for it.

See me, for example, cares not a whit abot what the circumstances or politics are a person in need before i endeavor to offer my assistance, in whatever small or substantial way that may be. I've never been a fan of only calling out injustice when it suits my cause.

As has been said to all of you hysterics for years now, sides don't matter. Both have blood on them.

The fact you see only one side while the other piles with starving, diseased and blown asunder children's corpses is for you and your various gods to reconcile.

I already know what i think of you.

There was not one plackard, not one chant, not one banner calling for the release of hostages and the end of lobbing missiles indiscrimanetle at Israeli civilians.

So this 'march for humanity' is a load of Hamas inspired propaganga and the marchers were Hamas supporters.

And the Palestinian hostages in Israel?

Are you living in a vacuum?

But seriously, did you expect the allies in WW2 to put both cases forward for Adolf?

That is a moronic attempt at analogy, as to be expected from you.

Gazans lived in peace on 6 October 2023. Then the next day they killed 1200 and took 250 hostages. They still have about 50 histages. They are evidently not suffering enough to release those hostages and to stop shooting and disown Hamas whom they elected and maintained all thoise decades as their representative. Gaza, like Germany, needs to be de-nazified.

FAFO.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36233 Gender:	Re: Sydney Harbour Bridge to close Reply #291 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 11:49am They did not live in peace. Seriouy, can you actually be this ignorant?
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Reply #292 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:02pm

David Ben-Gurion and his fellow Jewish Agency comrades intended no less than to seize the ancient lands of Judea, Samaria and Galilee and construct a modern state of Israel.

They never intended to deliver a just settlement for Arabs in the region.

Ben-Gurion was criticised by the Zionists of his day for not finishing the job in the south and the West Bank.

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Reply #293 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:

David Ben-Gurion and his fellow Jewish Agency comrades intended no less than to seize the ancient lands of Judea, Samaria and Galilee and construct a modern state of Israel.

They never intended to deliver a just settlement for Arabs in the region.

Ben-Gurion was criticised by the Zionists of his day for not finishing the job in the south and the West Bank.

Arab Muslims living in Israel today have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

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Reply #294 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:16pm

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:

David Ben-Gurion and his fellow Jewish Agency comrades intended no less than to seize the ancient lands of Judea, Samaria and Galilee and construct a modern state of Israel.

They never intended to deliver a just settlement for Arabs in the region.

Ben-Gurion was criticised by the Zionists of his day for not finishing the job in the south and the West Bank.

Arab Muslims living in Israel today have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

Yes, they do. The price the Zionists had to pay for Israel being accepted into the community of nations - to recognise non-Jewish peoples within Israel's borders as Israelis.

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Reply #295 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:16pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:

David Ben-Gurion and his fellow Jewish Agency comrades intended no less than to seize the ancient lands of Judea, Samaria and Galilee and construct a modern state of Israel.

They never intended to deliver a just settlement for Arabs in the region.

Ben-Gurion was criticised by the Zionists of his day for not finishing the job in the south and the West Bank.

Arab Muslims living in Israel today have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

Yes, they do. The price the Zionists had to pay for Israel being accepted into the community of nations - to recognise non-Jewish peoples within Israel's borders as Israelis.

It couldn't possibly be that they actually value freedom and democracy, could it? Not if they are evil Jews who see everything as a transaction.

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Reply #296 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:35pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:

David Ben-Gurion and his fellow Jewish Agency comrades intended no less than to seize the ancient lands of Judea, Samaria and Galilee and construct a modern state of Israel.

They never intended to deliver a just settlement for Arabs in the region.

Ben-Gurion was criticised by the Zionists of his day for not finishing the job in the south and the West Bank.

Ben-Gurion, the Jewish Agency and the Zionists seized the opportunity given to them by the most unprecedented event against Jewish people in the last 2000 years, even greater than the pogroms and persecutions inspired by Martin Luther and the Spanish Inquisition.

An event that silenced every European nation enough for the Zionists to attempt their dream and ultimate goal.

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Reply #297 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

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Reply #298 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

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Reply #299 - Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:53pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7^th, 2025 at 12:42pm:

Ben-Gurion and the Zionists were attempting something that had not been done since the mythical time of Moses, and their Overton Window was short - they didn't have 40 years to wander in the wilderness... To create a Jewish homeland within the ancient regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

Equal rights for non-Jewish Israelis were another price they had to pay for recognition of Israeli statehood.

Jewish Israelis generally do not have much love for non-Jewish Israelis.

He had the honesty to call it for what it was and this is just one of many of the things he said which is absolutely correct:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Yes... He was supremely intelligent, and not a hypocrite.

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