greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6^th, 2025 at 10:34am:


And now he's backpedalling   

Aussie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2025 at 10:30am:



How is asking "who are the Jews" pertinent?

Aussie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2025 at 10:30am:

The Palestinians had 6+ opportunities to form a state since 1947. they refused all of them.
The jews took the first opportunity and have made a Jewish state. They defended it in wars and in the face of constant attacks.  We know who they are, what they want, what they have achieved. 

Who are the Palestinians?

The Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians, Algerians etc, etc have made some sort of a go at building a country. They, too, were carved out of the Ottoman and French and British Empires. Why have the Palestinians rejected every single opportunity to have their own state?


I think because accepting statehood would mean accepting Israel's existence as legitimate, like their own Palestinian state. They simply cannot bring themselves to do that. The destruction of Israel is more important to them than their own statehood. After all, they have never been a state (unlike the Jews), never agitated for independence from the Ottomans under whose rules they lived for centuries.  There was no intifada or martyrdom operations agains the ottoman empire, no cries of 'free free palestine from the river to the sea' while under the Ottoman yoke. Why?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6^th, 2025 at 10:40am:


Back peddling my arse.

You keep lying like the shifty shyte you are.

It was a march for Hamas & terrorism.

Gnads wrote on Aug 6^th, 2025 at 10:42am:

In the context that I asked a poster, it is pertinent.

It's common on this site and others to refer to 'the Muslims' or 'the Jews' as if they were monolithic and relevant to the discussion/debate at hand.

They rarely are relevant.

Some refer to the Arab League as 'the Muslims', thereby lumping in Pakistanis, other subcontinentals, citizens of the 'Stans', Indonesians, other east/southeast Asians and the many subgroups of Muslim peoples and sects in their diaspora.

Similarly, 'the Jews' is used to refer to Israelis, also lumping in dozens of diaspora communities.

It would be similar to using the term 'the whites' or the 'Anglo-Saxons', or 'the Christians' when referring to British-descent citizens of Australia.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 6^th, 2025 at 10:43am:


Oh & what was that prior to the Islamic expansion in the 7th century?

The Jews had been there more than 2,000 years before  & remained Jewish.

The area that is modern Israel & Gaza was Judaea - in an effort to try and disconnect Jewish ties to the land the Romans called the area Syria Palestinia after the Bar Kokhba revolt.

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70 yrs of Palestinian oppression by Israel? pfffft A gnat shyte on an elephants backside.

Gnads wrote on Aug 6^th, 2025 at 11:09am:


Where were the Israelis then?

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Well, historically that would be true.

Modern Israelis whose ancestors did not remain in the region are ethnically more likely to be of Turkic/European descent.