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Reply #30 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:13pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 5:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 3:11pm:
Again, who told you that this is important? As far as I can tell, you are the only one here who cares.

Refer back to the original comment regarding the Head of the Commonwealth, and requote it in its context... without your autistic rage.

Autistic rage, eh??   Grin Cheesy Cheesy  Thank you, Sigmund. You project, he has an autistic rage. Roll Eyes



Anyway.

The Head of the Commonwealth is the ceremonial leader who symbolises "the free association of independent member nations" of the Commonwealth of Nations, an intergovernmental organisation that currently comprises 56 sovereign states. There is no set term of office or term limit and the role itself has no constitutional relevance to any of the member states within the Commonwealth. The position has always been held by the monarch of the United Kingdom, and thus is currently held by King Charles III.[1] Head of the Commonwealth is also a title of the monarch of each of the Commonwealth realms according to the Royal Style and Titles Act.

By 1949, what was then called the British Commonwealth was a group of eight countries, each having King George VI as monarch. India, however, desired to become a republic, but not to leave the Commonwealth by doing so. This was accommodated by the creation of the title Head of the Commonwealth for the King and India became a republic in 1950. Subsequently, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth II, other nations, including Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Ghana, and Singapore, also became republics, but, as members of the Commonwealth, recognised her as the organisation's head.[2] Per agreement reached at the CHOGM in 2018, Charles III succeeded Elizabeth II as head of the Commonwealth upon her death on 8 September 2022.[3]
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Re: Tolerance - What Is It Good For?
Reply #31 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 5:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 3:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 9:48pm:
If the assembled leaders got involved in selecting the next head of the commonwealth, it would probably just lose them votes at home, and international goodwill. It is not a position of actual authority anyway. Just the last vestige of the old system that were convenient to hang onto.



Royalty has no real power - it's only ceremonial roles.

Look back to 1914 -
the German and British royalty are related -
in theory they controlled the armed forces of Germany and England
but they couldn't tell both sides to go home to stop WW1.
They were powerless and it cost millions of lives.

Kaiser Wilemn did have real power.



Then why didn't he stop the war?

Churchill comments on this.

He explains that Kaiser Wilhelm felt enormous pressure of German military expectations of him as the Kaiser from German aristocrats and was terrified of being perceived as weak. He also felt a sense of inferiority towards his British relatives, towards his cousin, George V, in particular, and towards British aristocracy in general.

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Reply #32 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 5:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 3:11pm:
Again, who told you that this is important? As far as I can tell, you are the only one here who cares.

Refer back to the original comment regarding the Head of the Commonwealth, and requote it in its context... without your autistic rage.

Autistic rage, eh??   Grin Cheesy Cheesy  Thank you, Sigmund. You project, he has an autistic rage. Roll Eyes



Anyway.

The Head of the Commonwealth is the ceremonial leader who symbolises "the free association of independent member nations" of the Commonwealth of Nations, an intergovernmental organisation that currently comprises 56 sovereign states. There is no set term of office or term limit and the role itself has no constitutional relevance to any of the member states within the Commonwealth. The position has always been held by the monarch of the United Kingdom, and thus is currently held by King Charles III.[1] Head of the Commonwealth is also a title of the monarch of each of the Commonwealth realms according to the Royal Style and Titles Act.

By 1949, what was then called the British Commonwealth was a group of eight countries, each having King George VI as monarch. India, however, desired to become a republic, but not to leave the Commonwealth by doing so. This was accommodated by the creation of the title Head of the Commonwealth for the King and India became a republic in 1950. Subsequently, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth II, other nations, including Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Ghana, and Singapore, also became republics, but, as members of the Commonwealth, recognised her as the organisation's head.[2] Per agreement reached at the CHOGM in 2018, Charles III succeeded Elizabeth II as head of the Commonwealth upon her death on 8 September 2022.[3]

Agatha Frank (they/them)...

The role is already non-hereditary for a reason.

Keep Googling... not for gay porn, of course, focus specifically on non-Anglospheric attitudes towards the role...

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Reply #33 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:29pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:
Then why didn't he stop the war?

Churchill comments on this.

He explains that Kaiser Wilhelm felt enormous pressure of German military expectations of him as the Kaiser from German aristocrats and was terrified of being perceived as weak. He also felt a sense of inferiority towards his British relatives, towards his cousin, George V, in particular, and towards British aristocracy in general.




He should have put the lives of millions of people ahead of his feelings.
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Reply #34 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:35pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:26pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 5:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 3:11pm:
Again, who told you that this is important? As far as I can tell, you are the only one here who cares.

Refer back to the original comment regarding the Head of the Commonwealth, and requote it in its context... without your autistic rage.

Autistic rage, eh??   Grin Cheesy Cheesy  Thank you, Sigmund. You project, he has an autistic rage. Roll Eyes



Anyway.

The Head of the Commonwealth is the ceremonial leader who symbolises "the free association of independent member nations" of the Commonwealth of Nations, an intergovernmental organisation that currently comprises 56 sovereign states. There is no set term of office or term limit and the role itself has no constitutional relevance to any of the member states within the Commonwealth. The position has always been held by the monarch of the United Kingdom, and thus is currently held by King Charles III.[1] Head of the Commonwealth is also a title of the monarch of each of the Commonwealth realms according to the Royal Style and Titles Act.

By 1949, what was then called the British Commonwealth was a group of eight countries, each having King George VI as monarch. India, however, desired to become a republic, but not to leave the Commonwealth by doing so. This was accommodated by the creation of the title Head of the Commonwealth for the King and India became a republic in 1950. Subsequently, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth II, other nations, including Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Ghana, and Singapore, also became republics, but, as members of the Commonwealth, recognised her as the organisation's head.[2] Per agreement reached at the CHOGM in 2018, Charles III succeeded Elizabeth II as head of the Commonwealth upon her death on 8 September 2022.[3]

Agatha Frank (they/them)...

The role is already non-hereditary for a reason.

Keep Googling... not for gay porn, of course, focus specifically on non-Anglospheric attitudes towards the role...






They can always leave the ... er...British Commonwealth, those off-white 'non-Anlospheric' countries.  It's not compulsory, you know.



The point - the ONLY point - of the British Commonwealth is that it is about the Britannic inheritance of its members, whether constitutional monarchies or republics. The 'British' bit is the ONLY glue. and the head of state of Britain and therefore of the British Commonwealth, is the Britich monarch.


And there is no need for your 'autistic rage', pal, every time someone exprsses a disagreement or offers a mild correcticve to your lurches into monomania.

Stay sane, stay cool. You are a mystic, after all, not some hysteric, aren't you?

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Reply #35 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:29pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:
Then why didn't he stop the war?

Churchill comments on this.

He explains that Kaiser Wilhelm felt enormous pressure of German military expectations of him as the Kaiser from German aristocrats and was terrified of being perceived as weak. He also felt a sense of inferiority towards his British relatives, towards his cousin, George V, in particular, and towards British aristocracy in general.




He should have put the lives of millions of people ahead of his feelings.

Having been born with a withered left arm, Kaiser Wilhelm was plagued his whole life with being perceived as a weak cripple - a huge problem in public life before the late 20th century.

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Reply #36 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:35pm:
The point - the ONLY point - of the British Commonwealth is that it is about the Britannic inheritance of its members, whether constitutional monarchies or republics. The 'British' bit is the ONLY glue. and the head of state of Britain and therefore of the British Commonwealth, is the Britich monarch.

And Gabon, Togo, Mozambique and Rwanda... Agatha Frank (they/them)?
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Reply #37 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:47pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 5:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 3:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 9:48pm:
If the assembled leaders got involved in selecting the next head of the commonwealth, it would probably just lose them votes at home, and international goodwill. It is not a position of actual authority anyway. Just the last vestige of the old system that were convenient to hang onto.



Royalty has no real power - it's only ceremonial roles.

Look back to 1914 -
the German and British royalty are related -
in theory they controlled the armed forces of Germany and England
but they couldn't tell both sides to go home to stop WW1.
They were powerless and it cost millions of lives.

Kaiser Wilemn did have real power.



Then why didn't he stop the war?

Churchill comments on this.

He explains that Kaiser Wilhelm felt enormous pressure of German military expectations of him as the Kaiser from German aristocrats and was terrified of being perceived as weak. He also felt a sense of inferiority towards his British relatives, towards his cousin, George V, in particular, and towards British aristocracy in general.



German-British relations in a nutshell.


The Germans overcame their 18th century inferiority to the French in 1870 and then again in 1914 and beyond.
Not so with the British.

But the Germans, after the Scandis and the Dutch,  are most like the British than anyone else in the non Anglophone world.

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Reply #38 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:57pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:35pm:
The point - the ONLY point - of the British Commonwealth is that it is about the Britannic inheritance of its members, whether constitutional monarchies or republics. The 'British' bit is the ONLY glue. and the head of state of Britain and therefore of the British Commonwealth, is the Britich monarch.

And Gabon, Togo, Mozambique and Rwanda... Agatha Frank (they/them)?

Quote:
membership of the modern Commonwealth does not depend on formerly being part of the British Empire.


https://thecommonwealth.org/about/joining
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Reply #39 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 7:37pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:29pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:
Then why didn't he stop the war?

Churchill comments on this.

He explains that Kaiser Wilhelm felt enormous pressure of German military expectations of him as the Kaiser from German aristocrats and was terrified of being perceived as weak. He also felt a sense of inferiority towards his British relatives, towards his cousin, George V, in particular, and towards British aristocracy in general.




He should have put the lives of millions of people ahead of his feelings.

Having been born with a withered left arm, Kaiser Wilhelm was plagued his whole life with being perceived as a weak cripple - a huge problem in public life before the late 20th century.




He was an arse hole then.

There was no reason for the Germans to attack France in 1914.
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Reply #40 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 7:57pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:57pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:35pm:
The point - the ONLY point - of the British Commonwealth is that it is about the Britannic inheritance of its members, whether constitutional monarchies or republics. The 'British' bit is the ONLY glue. and the head of state of Britain and therefore of the British Commonwealth, is the Britich monarch.

And Gabon, Togo, Mozambique and Rwanda... Agatha Frank (they/them)?

Quote:
membership of the modern Commonwealth does not depend on formerly being part of the British Empire.


https://thecommonwealth.org/about/joining



Pull your head out, pal. Curb your autistic rage, what?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You: The British Commonwealth has nuffin to do wiv nuffin', especially not wiv Britain."

"an applicant country should, as a general rule, have had a historic constitutional association with an existing Commonwealth member, save in exceptional circumstances".


"an applicant country should accept Commonwealth norms and conventions, such as the use of the English language as the medium of inter-Commonwealth relations, and acknowledge His Majesty King Charles III as the Head of the Commonwealth"

From your link, bozo.
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Reply #41 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 8:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 7:57pm:
Pull your head out, pal. Curb your autistic rage, what?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You: The British Commonwealth has nuffin to do wiv nuffin', especially not wiv Britain."

"an applicant country should, as a general rule, have had a historic constitutional association with an existing Commonwealth member, save in exceptional circumstances".


"an applicant country should accept Commonwealth norms and conventions, such as the use of the English language as the medium of inter-Commonwealth relations, and acknowledge His Majesty King Charles III as the Head of the Commonwealth"

From your link, bozo.

Maybe you should trawl for gay porn, Agatha Frank (they/them), I'm guessing Agatha needs some back pussy action.

Members of the Commonwealth are required to acknowledge the current Head of the Commonwealth, not because he is the British monarch, but because he has been acknowledged by a consensus of members as the head of the Commonwealth.

The Head of the Commonwealth is a non-hereditary role.

During the controversial 2018 CHOGM in London, a very nervous Theresa May insisted that the decision to acknowledge the then-Prince Charles as Elizabeth II's successor to the role of Head of the Commonwealth was unanimous. However, May was contradicted by other HOGs who advised that it was a consensus.
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Reply #42 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 8:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 7:37pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:29pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:
Then why didn't he stop the war?

Churchill comments on this.

He explains that Kaiser Wilhelm felt enormous pressure of German military expectations of him as the Kaiser from German aristocrats and was terrified of being perceived as weak. He also felt a sense of inferiority towards his British relatives, towards his cousin, George V, in particular, and towards British aristocracy in general.




He should have put the lives of millions of people ahead of his feelings.

Having been born with a withered left arm, Kaiser Wilhelm was plagued his whole life with being perceived as a weak cripple - a huge problem in public life before the late 20th century.




He was an arse hole then.


Most of his relatives and other European aristocrats would have agreed with you.
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Reply #43 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 8:47pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 8:15pm:
During the controversial 2018 CHOGM in London, a very nervous Theresa May insisted that the decision to acknowledge the then-Prince Charles as Elizabeth II's successor to the role of Head of the Commonwealth was unanimous. However, May was contradicted by other HOGs who advised that it was a consensus.

It can be intuited that the consensus was reached due to the deep personal respect, regard and affection in which Elizabeth II  was held, such that a majority of HOGs decided to accede to her personal and public request.

The test will be at a future CHOGM, where the same question will be asked regarding the current Prince of Wales - Prince William.

It will also depend on Prince William's desire to assume the title - he may prefer to defer to an open and public process of selection with alternative HOG member candidates, or their respective HOS, proposed... This would be in keeping with the Commonwealth's democratic principles of equality.
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Reply #44 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 8:50pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 5:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2025 at 3:11pm:
Again, who told you that this is important? As far as I can tell, you are the only one here who cares.

Refer back to the original comment regarding the Head of the Commonwealth, and requote it in its context... without your autistic rage.


Who told you that this is important Meister?
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