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Daves2017 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Gender:	Will labor actually be doing something good here? Jul 20^th, 2025 at 8:30pm https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/labor-to-act-on-key-costofliving-promi... “ Labor to act on key cost-of-living promises like 20pc HELP debt wipe-out, paid prac, $150 energy rebate” “ news ltd. Well anything is better than nothing I suggest?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51086 At my desk.	Re: Will labor actually be doing something good here? Reply #1 - Jul 20^th, 2025 at 8:31pm Free money from the government. What's wrong with that?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60106 Here Gender:	Re: Will labor actually be doing something good here? Reply #2 - Jul 20^th, 2025 at 8:52pm Help debt is unconscionable. Assistance with power cost was part of the privatisation process to make sure that poor people didn't have their power turned off. Even this proposal is nowhere near good enough. A little tiny bit better than nothing.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51086 At my desk.	Re: Will labor actually be doing something good here? Reply #3 - Jul 20^th, 2025 at 9:00pm Quote: Help debt is unconscionable. If we made students pay upfront, a lot of poor people would be kept out of better careers because they cannot afford the education.
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Reply #4 - Jul 20^th, 2025 at 9:48pm

Signed up for me battery to go with me solar system - no power - we're right for three days or more. Still get all rebates.. and rightly so.

I was more interested in the 'productivity' circus - per capita 'productivity' is way down so pumping people into the productivity producer is madness pure and simple.

I thought these noble economists actually knew WTF they are doing - guess I was wrong - I studied it in the lat 1970's though - they must know something I don't.

It all sounds like a pack of lies to me - again.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17011 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Will labor actually be doing something good here? Reply #5 - Jul 20^th, 2025 at 10:03pm freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2025 at 8:31pm: Free money from the government. What's wrong with that? Consider it a temporary tax cut.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77706 Gender:	Re: Will labor actually be doing something good here? Reply #6 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:21am freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2025 at 9:00pm: If we made students pay upfront, a lot of poor people would be kept out of better careers because they cannot afford the education. Education should be FREE
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Reply #7 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:40am

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:21am:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2025 at 9:00pm:

If we made students pay upfront, a lot of poor people would be kept out of better careers because they cannot afford the education.

Education should be FREE

Nothing is FREE.

Fee Help is borrowing from the government. (Ie taxpayers). People could borrow from other sources.

Uncapped 'free' tertiary education is an idiotic idea. You either cap it ( only the smartest, best prepared can go to uni) or you charge and even thickos can enrol at uni.

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Reply #8 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:41am

Frank wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:21am:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2025 at 9:00pm:

If we made students pay upfront, a lot of poor people would be kept out of better careers because they cannot afford the education.

Education should be FREE

Nothing is FREE.

what part of 'should' did you struggle with?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51086 At my desk.	Re: Will labor actually be doing something good here? Reply #9 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:42am John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:21am: freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2025 at 9:00pm: If we made students pay upfront, a lot of poor people would be kept out of better careers because they cannot afford the education. Education should be FREE It is free, right up to grade 12.
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Reply #10 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 9:26am

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:41am:

Frank wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:21am:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2025 at 9:00pm:

If we made students pay upfront, a lot of poor people would be kept out of better careers because they cannot afford the education.

Education should be FREE

Nothing is FREE.

what part of 'should' did you struggle with?

Nothing free because nothing can be free, regardless of 'should'.

Which part of this did you struggle with:
Fee Help is borrowing from the government. (Ie taxpayers). People could borrow from other sources.

Uncapped 'free' tertiary education is an idiotic idea. You either cap it ( only the smartest, best prepared can go to uni) or you charge and even thickos can enrol at uni.

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Reply #11 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 9:39am

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Uncapped 'free' tertiary education is an idiotic idea. You either cap it ( only the smartest, best prepared can go to uni) or you charge and even thickos can enrol at uni.

We do both. You need the grades to get into the course, as well as having to pay. The debt scheme merely prevents this requirement to pay from becoming a 'class' barrier to gaining a tertiary education.

Anything that is given away from free will inevitably be wasted, which is what happened when undergrad courses were free.

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Reply #12 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 12:28pm

How many here have a Uni education? How many got it when it was free? I did. I also ended up with a HECS debt which basically crippled me when they demanded it repayed. I worked for an academic, an economist, he'd worked out that HECS was double taxation. The Individual was going to pay higher taxes because of their education but they were expected to pay for a HECS debt they had incurred through their education, so they were being double taxed. Most unfair he had concluded. Government doesn't need to collect HECS. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 12:45pm

Frank wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 9:26am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:41am:

Frank wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 8:21am:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2025 at 9:00pm:

If we made students pay upfront, a lot of poor people would be kept out of better careers because they cannot afford the education.

Education should be FREE

Nothing is FREE.

what part of 'should' did you struggle with?

Nothing free because nothing can be free, regardless of 'should'.

Which part of this did you struggle with:
Fee Help is borrowing from the government. (Ie taxpayers). People could borrow from other sources.

Uncapped 'free' tertiary education is an idiotic idea. You either cap it ( only the smartest, best prepared can go to uni) or you charge and even thickos can enrol at uni.

so you struggled with all of it .......good to know.

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Reply #14 - Jul 21^st, 2025 at 1:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21^st, 2025 at 12:28pm:

How many here have a Uni education? How many got it when it was free? I did. I also ended up with a HECS debt which basically crippled me when they demanded it repayed. I worked for an academic, an economist, he'd worked out that HECS was double taxation. The Individual was going to pay higher taxes because of their education but they were expected to pay for a HECS debt they had incurred through their education, so they were being double taxed. Most unfair he had concluded. Government doesn't need to collect HECS. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not necessarily, and providing tertiary education for free makes it even less likely. You might be a case in point.

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