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Reply #90 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 12:13pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 8:57am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 8:49am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 8:44am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 8:40am:
What nonsense. The Brits are in big trouble because of Labours open border & migration policy.


Labours policy? the brits have had an open border policy for centuries.  Cheesy Cheesy



Really - well why didn't they want the Germans coming over - twice?  Roll Eyes

Nevermind the Germans... more recently, they didn't like Poles, Romanians, Lithuanians, Estonians and Latvians exercising their EU rights and settling in Britain... Forget about Africans and subcontinentals. It was one of the main drivers behind Brexit.


Maybe more so the gypsy thieves from Romania, Bulgaria & Hungary.

Good grief that goes back as far as Alf Garnett & 'Til Death us Do Part.  Grin

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Reply #91 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 12:14pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:57am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:29am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 8:51am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 8:40am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:39pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:33pm:
The entire world is shaped by European, not just British, expansion.

Yes, but no other European power publicly grovels in abject apology for its empire, while at the same time, within its centre of governance, plots to resurrect its supremacy.

I get knocked down, but I get up again...


What nonsense. The Brits are in big trouble because of Labours open border & migration policy.

The Brits want their own country back .... not anyone elses.

You're thinking of supremacy in terms of boots on the ground... no empire comes back from the dead in those terms.

Supremacy in this context refers to soft power, economic and/or political influence and cultural influence.


How & where are they achieving that?

The most blindingly obvious is the monarchy...

Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, of Australia, of Canada and of His other Realms and Territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, and Sovereign of the Most Noble Order of the Garter.


Grin How ridiculous.
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Reply #92 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 1:20pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 12:14pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:57am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:29am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 8:51am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 8:40am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:39pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:33pm:
The entire world is shaped by European, not just British, expansion.

Yes, but no other European power publicly grovels in abject apology for its empire, while at the same time, within its centre of governance, plots to resurrect its supremacy.

I get knocked down, but I get up again...


What nonsense. The Brits are in big trouble because of Labours open border & migration policy.

The Brits want their own country back .... not anyone elses.

You're thinking of supremacy in terms of boots on the ground... no empire comes back from the dead in those terms.

Supremacy in this context refers to soft power, economic and/or political influence and cultural influence.


How & where are they achieving that?

The most blindingly obvious is the monarchy...

Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, of Australia, of Canada and of His other Realms and Territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, and Sovereign of the Most Noble Order of the Garter.


Grin How ridiculous.

Yep! And no Australian PM farts in Australia's name without clearing it with Washington and London first.
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Reply #93 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 11:03am
 
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Reply #94 - Jul 22nd, 2025 at 1:02pm
 
Consider the case of Courtney Wright, aged 12, from Bilton (near Rugby) and what happened to her when she wore a Union Jack dress to her school’s ‘Culture Day’. What happened was this: she was taken from her classmates and kept in isolation, while the rest of the school pandered to all the other thrilling, vibrant and diverse cultures present. Other kids wearing St George’s flags were similarly segregated and told that their choice of dress was ‘inappropriate’, while those in burqas, niqabs and Nigerian costume were cheered to the rafters by the thick-as-mince teachers. Courtney’s dad, Stuart Field, said: ‘She should not be made to feel embarrassed about being British. And she shouldn’t be punished for celebrating British culture and history; nobody else I’ve spoken to can quite get their heads around it.’

The school later offered an unreserved apology and said that it was considering how the incident could have been ‘handled better’. Well, you handle it better next time bysacking the idiots who told pupils and staff that the Union Jack is the symbol of our cultural heritage and if you don’t like it you might be better off living somewhere else. Or how about this? Don’t have a bloody ‘culture day’ – instead concentrate on getting the kids through their examinations with decent grades, seeing as the school’s academic record is predictably awful and well below both the national average and the average for the area.




Who's intolerant here?

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Reply #95 - Jul 23rd, 2025 at 1:19pm
 
These days, speaking plainly can get you cast out. Barely a day passes without someone in public life being denounced – not for malice, but for failing to show the prescribed reverence to the latest orthodoxy. This isn’t civility. It’s coercion. Make no mistake: what we’re facing isn’t a polite call for decency – it’s the barbed-wire fist of authoritarianism wrapped in the velvet glove of tolerance.

If our civilisation is to endure, we must ask: What will it take, and who will have the courage to act?

Australians rightly look back with fond nostalgia on the Prime Ministership of Bob Hawke. Here was a man who spoke to middle Australia while moving easily through the heights of elite society. He had a storied personal life, drank like a fish, swore like a trucker, and fired up when his values were tested. And he never apologised for any of it. Australians loved him for that. All of it.

Could a modern Bob Hawke survive today? Just imagine the headlines over his temperament behind closed doors. His romantic dalliances. The drinking. The only thing more legendary than his beer-skolling record would be the queue of people demanding his cancellation.

When did we lose our tolerance for imperfection? Are we really a nation of moral purists – offended by swearing, drinking, or a complicated past? Or has the very idea of moral purity been hijacked by those who seek control, not virtue?

In the lead-up to the millennium, John Howard was asked what he hoped Australians would feel as the 21st Century approached. He answered with stoic clarity:

‘An Australian nation that feels comfortable and relaxed about three things: about their history, about their present, and the future.’

Twenty-five years into the new millennium, how’s that hope holding up from our 25th Prime Minister?

History: Australians are told to be ashamed of Australia Day – it marks the beginning not of nationhood, but of genocide and colonisation.
Present: In the year 2000, the national median house cost 3.1× the median income. Government debt was around 20 per cent of GDP. Government spending: 20-22 per cent.
Future: Today, those same figures are 8x, 31.7 per cent, and 32 per cent. And that’s before factoring in the new orthodoxy: that we face a climate emergency requiring urgent deindustrialisation.


Australia didn’t stumble into malaise – it was led there.  One shallow decision at a time. One moral concession at a time.  we’ve had leaders who govern by poll and apologise by reflex.

That needs to end here.   Let’s say the quiet part out loud.  We are a country of plenty – envied by the world. It’s time we embraced the blessings of our civilisation and stopped apologising for our success.


https://www.spectator.com.au/2025/07/lets-say-the-quiet-part-out-loud/
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Reply #96 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:13am
 
Now in Australia, a political and social consensus continues building in support of an Islamist death-cult terrorist organisation. Call it Hamas, Isis, Al Qaeda or the Taleban, in the end it’s a state of mind. It is staggering how many women from across the socio-economic spectrum have become apologists for a group of men who commit mass rape and murder. If only they knew the Arab expression, ‘First we come for the Saturday people, then we come for Sunday people.’ When you have personally witnessed terrorised women and children fleeing the Islamist evil of Isis, it never leaves you. It makes you sick to the pit of your stomach. For a few of us, it makes you determined never to allow that culture, even in its non-violent form, to become accepted in our own country.

Simultaneously, China’s ‘handsome-boy’ manoeuvres, and corporate capture continues neutralising Australia’s position with our most important strategic ally, the United States. During his recent six-day dependency tour of China, Australia’s Prime Minister Anthony Albanese presented himself to President Xi Jinping. For Albanese it was to negotiate, for China it was to judge. And just before this trip the Prime Minister gave his Curtin Speech, presenting a new foreign policy direction, the ‘Australian way’, suggesting no power needs to dominate. Even Australian mining personalities penned opinion pieces reinforcing the Chinese Communist party’s silky narrative.

The idea is that this country is the safe space between the clash of two great powers in the Pacific. A defenceless island of neutrality, believing that position will be honourably respected, leaving Australia free to choose. It is an ideal based on how some wish the world to be, not on how it really is.  An ideal relying on hope, that great comforter in danger and an expensive commodity.  As with the Islamist extremist insurgency, there idea is to fill the grey zone, one cannot remain neutral
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The position emerging for Australia is the result of our own folly rather than misfortune. In words of the leader of the 12th-century Order of Assassins, we’ve sown the cloak of our own destruction. No one forced the West to behave like this. We willingly complied. Wherever geo-political ransom is now used, or threats to domestic electoral outcomes evident, our political class acquiesce. The gate is thrown open even wider. Little do these leftist co-conspirators and middle-class supporters realise that, as with nearly all revolutions, fanatics really do mean it, and before long minority groups, liberals and secular individuals are violently swept aside.

Whether Islamists or the plans of President Xi, these are not single-issue movements – they’re aiming to change our society. We continue ignoring this warning at our peril.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2025/08/enemies-through-the-gate/


None of these changes are for the better, needless to say. But progressives have a change fetish.
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Reply #97 - Aug 29th, 2025 at 10:00am
 
I’m Offended, Therefore I’m Right


One always hesitates to say the obvious, but as George Orwell remarked, it is the obvious that intellectuals are most inclined to ignore. There is a good reason for this: there is hardly any point in being an intellectual if you see only what is obvious. An intellectual, almost by definition, is a person who sees, or claims to see, what others do not see, an alternative to which is to be blind to what others do see. It is true that appearances are sometimes deceptive, but more often than not they are very instructive.

A tolerant person is one who disapproves of someone or something but does not act as if his disapproval were all that counted in the determination of his conduct towards whomever or whatever he disapproves of. To live and let live is not to approve—much less, in modern parlance to “cele­brate”—all ways of life as if there were nothing to choose between them, or to be glad that some people have adopted a morally reprehensible or disgusting way of conducting themselves. Tolerance, moreover, should not be infinite: for to find nothing intolerable is to accept everything, including the worst evils, and is the ultimate form of pusillanimity. It is the refusal ever to confront anything; toleration can be a vice as well as a virtue. Where to place the boundary between the tolerable and the intolerable is, of course, a matter of judgment, and judgment is always fallible, for there is no hard-and-fast rule to help us decide every case, many cases being marginal. What is tolerable in one circumstance is often intolerable in another.

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The supposed right of people to have their attitudes, beliefs, opinions “respected”, that is to say not questioned, reprehended, derided or mocked, merely because of their strength of conviction, will no doubt put most people in mind of Muslims who claim it and want to impose it on the whole world. In the wake of the Salman Rushdie affair, which in my view was a turning point in world history, a book was published in England with the title Be Careful with Muhammad! It implied that those who were disrespectful towards the Prophet had only themselves to blame if their disrespect was met with violence. This, of course, is the logic of the protection racket and the gangster: we will leave you in (relative) peace, but on our conditions.

However, such a manner of thinking and behaving is becoming more widespread: the real Islamification of our society. There are numbers of subjects on which many of us are reluctant to express our thoughts because of the reaction they are likely to evoke, even to the point of violence. Good-humoured disagreement, at least on these subjects (which, of course, change with fashion), becomes impossible. An asymmetric war is waged between monomaniac enragés on the one hand, and people for whom the subject in question is only one among many on the other. The latter are not prepared to make much personal sacrifice to establish what they see as the truth on the subject, and so the monomaniacs, who are usually a small minority of the population, win by default.
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A willingness to take offence has become a desire to take offence; and as we know, appetite grows with the feeding. No propitiation of the offended, therefore, is ever enough; on the contrary, it leads merely to the next demand and cause for offence if not met. Taking offence acts as a kind of guarantee that one cares deeply about something in the absence of any other transcendent purpose in life. The new Cartesian cogito is, therefore, I’m offended, therefore I’m right—and righteous.
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Reply #98 - Aug 29th, 2025 at 1:32pm
 
Ask any of the Indians at the servo - I'm friendly and nice to all.... that does not mean I approve of mass immigration.  ergo - I am tolerant and accepting of individuals.....

Peoples is peoples - policies is policies... and we oppose policies..

We wrestle not here with issues of men and of women - but with instrumentalities of light and darkness - in the words of earlier generations - of Right and Wrong....
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