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Reply #45 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 10:31am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 9:02am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 8:58am:
Most of what Trump says is BS.

But the masses are unthinking.

That's the point.
When you are beaten down. Eat junk smoke pot don't exercise
Bounce out of bed and are  just trying to cope with life.
You are NOT going to be thinking.
You are derping

And when someone from Trump to Andrews to coca cola to Temu tell you a lie but tell it with swagger , you just believe it.

So Trump's a P.T. Barnum with power, then.



Trump is exploiting the cultural hypnosis .

I don't think Michael Jordan won 5 NBA rings by eating big macs or wearing Nike pumps but the sheep in the cultural hypnosis are happy to walk like zombies into Mecca's.

In the same way Trump understands marketing, the winner effect and is exploiting the cultural hypnosis.

He didn't create it.

He is winning the game because he understands the current psychological state of the sheep.

Gavin newsome has a different flock and he understands their cultural hypnosis.

Rather then get mad at Trump or newsome or Michael Jordan or the kardashians, people need to study Dan Kennedy and read marketing books.

But I guess it's just easier  to watch Netflix and stay in the durr state
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Reply #46 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 10:46am
 
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I don't think Michael Jordan won 5 NBA rings by eating big macs


https://www.si.com/fannation/backinthedaynba/michael-jordan-had-addiction-to-fast-food-restaurant-during-early-playing-days-01j7gg12gvxe

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Apparently, Jordan wasn't only selling Egg McMuffins. He was eating them. Lot of them.

During an appearance on the All The Smoke podcast, Bulls teammate Charles Oakley gave an inside look at Jordan's eating habits.

"We ate a lot of McDonald's back then," Oakley said. "MJ ate McDonald's every morning for breakfast. Every morning. "
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Reply #47 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 11:01am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 9:00am:
What does it even mean?

More of a weasel word than anything deep and meaningful.

People learn to tolerate traffic in the morning.

They learn to tolerate missing the green light.

They learn to tolerate McDonald's coffee in the absence of anything better at 6:00 AM.

Start using it to refer to tolerating foreign ethnicity in the community, or physical/ psychological disability in the workplace.. or ugliness, and it cheapens the effort to tolerating crows faaarking at the crack of dawn.

Is forebearance a better word?

Does it have enough high-falutin' je-ne-sais-quoi for the act of accepting foreign ethnicity, disability and ugliness in our midst?




In an essay called “The Self-Poisoning of the Open Society,” Kolakowski dilates on this basic antinomy of liberalism. Liberalism implies openness to other points of view, even (it would seem) those points of view whose success would destroy liberalism. But tolerance to those points of view is a prescription for suicide. Intolerance betrays the fundamental premise of liberalism, i.e., openness. As Robert Frost once put it, a liberal is someone who refuses to take his own part in an argument.

Kolakowski is surely right that our liberal, pluralist democracy depends for its survival not only on the continued existence of its institutions, but also “on a belief in their value and a widespread will to defend them.” The question is: Do we, as a society, still enjoy that belief? Do we possess the requisite will? Or was François Revel right when he said that “Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it”?

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The “openness” or tlerance that liberal society rightly cherishes is not a vacuous openness to all points of view: it is not “value neutral.” It need not, indeed it cannot, say Yes to all comers, to the Islamofascist who after all has his point of view, just as much as the soccer mom, who has hers. American democracy, for example, affords its citizens great latitude, but great latitude is not synonymous with the proposition that “anything goes.”
https://newcriterion.com/article/after-the-suicide-of-the-west/


Tolerance is not value-neutral.  It is not 'phobic' to oppose and resist certain views, values and practices.
Not tolerating certain views and practices that are antithetical to a humane, enlightened society is not itself intolerance. It is an intellectiual, political immune system An immune system that does not detect and protect against destructive incursioins is defective.
A pseudo-liberal outlook that does not detect and protect against destructive incursiions of ideology is likewise a defective, suicidal outlook.
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Reply #48 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 11:56am
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 10:20am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:19pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:14pm:
That's right. She was removed and punished for wearing her nations Union Jack.

Poms and their endless overt grovelling apology for their empire... behind closed doors, they mourn its loss.

Behind the closed door of No. 10, they do whatever they can to reimpose it in the way the Greeks did within the Roman Empire.


Garbage.
Everyone elses culture except anglo ey?

Not too many other cultures have a former empire to grovel over or to try to perpetuate the legacy of.


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Reply #49 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:33pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 11:56am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 10:20am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:19pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:14pm:
That's right. She was removed and punished for wearing her nations Union Jack.

Poms and their endless overt grovelling apology for their empire... behind closed doors, they mourn its loss.

Behind the closed door of No. 10, they do whatever they can to reimpose it in the way the Greeks did within the Roman Empire.


Garbage.
Everyone elses culture except anglo ey?

Not too many other cultures have a former empire to grovel over or to try to perpetuate the legacy of.



Nonsense.

Every culture is expansionist.
Some are just more competent than others.

The British Empire was in competition with other European empires, especially the French, Spanish and Dutch and later the Germans and Russians.

China is an empire. Latin America is a Spanish and Portugese legacy, North America British, Spanish, French. Indo-China is a French legacy, Indonesia Dutch. Africa is a mix of precolonial African empires and various European colonial influences.
The entire world is shaped by European, not just British, expansion.
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Reply #50 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:34pm
 
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Every culture is expansionist.


You are conflating culture with empire. Not the same thing at all.
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Reply #51 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:34pm:
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Every culture is expansionist.


You are conflating culture with empire. Not the same thing at all.

You can't separate them.

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Reply #52 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:33pm:
The entire world is shaped by European, not just British, expansion.

Yes, but no other European power publicly grovels in abject apology for its empire, while at the same time, within its centre of governance, plots to resurrect its supremacy.

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Reply #53 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 1:05pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:39pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:33pm:
The entire world is shaped by European, not just British, expansion.

Yes, but no other European power publicly grovels in abject apology for its empire, while at the same time, within its centre of governance, plots to resurrect its supremacy.

I get knocked down, but I get up again...


Well, the tinted chappies across the world are constantly demanding an apology for the civilising effects of the British Empire, from Aborigines through Indians, Arabs and Africans.

British culture, more self-reflecting and self-critical than most, has taught them the method of thinking which they have deployed for decades to flagellate Britain for giving them railways, sanitation, education, rule of law and proper forms of self-government.

You step on someone toes in England and he will say sorry. Not so in Paris, Rome or Madrid.

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Reply #54 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 1:18pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 1:05pm:
You step on someone toes in England and he will say sorry. Not so in Paris, Rome or Madrid.



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Reply #55 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 2:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 10:46am:
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I don't think Michael Jordan won 5 NBA rings by eating big macs


https://www.si.com/fannation/backinthedaynba/michael-jordan-had-addiction-to-fast-food-restaurant-during-early-playing-days-01j7gg12gvxe

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Apparently, Jordan wasn't only selling Egg McMuffins. He was eating them. Lot of them.

During an appearance on the All The Smoke podcast, Bulls teammate Charles Oakley gave an inside look at Jordan's eating habits.

"We ate a lot of McDonald's back then," Oakley said. "MJ ate McDonald's every morning for breakfast. Every morning. "




Do you think , therefore that elite athletes should do that as well?
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Reply #56 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 3:10pm
 
Shashi Tharoor's suggestion of British reparations to India was rhetorically effective.

"Given that any amount reasonable would not be payable, and any amount payable would not be reasonable, I suggest one pound a year from the British government for the next 200 years, and an annual apology from the British monarch to the Indian people".
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Reply #57 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 3:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:34pm:
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Every culture is expansionist.


You are conflating culture with empire. Not the same thing at all.

True.  Empire is a military thing and Emperors are their prime individual.
Kings, Masters of Ceremony (entertainers) make poor military leaders.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #58 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 3:19pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 10:46am:
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I don't think Michael Jordan won 5 NBA rings by eating big macs


https://www.si.com/fannation/backinthedaynba/michael-jordan-had-addiction-to-fast-food-restaurant-during-early-playing-days-01j7gg12gvxe

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Apparently, Jordan wasn't only selling Egg McMuffins. He was eating them. Lot of them.

During an appearance on the All The Smoke podcast, Bulls teammate Charles Oakley gave an inside look at Jordan's eating habits.

"We ate a lot of McDonald's back then," Oakley said. "MJ ate McDonald's every morning for breakfast. Every morning. "


Do you think , therefore that elite athletes should do that as well?


They can eat what they want. Maccas does you no harm if you burn off the energy. All that sugar is a good source of the energy you need to get you through a day of training.
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Reply #59 - Jul 17th, 2025 at 3:24pm
 
Macca's is great for sea sickness.
Sits heavy in the stomach like an anchor ⚓ and stops the swell.
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