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Reply #15 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:25pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:19pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:14pm:
That's right. She was removed and punished for wearing her nations Union Jack.

Poms and their endless overt grovelling apology for their empire... behind closed doors, they mourn its loss.

Behind the closed door of No. 10, they do whatever they can to reimpose it in the way the Greeks did within the Roman Empire.

No they don't.
The Germs did, the French are doing and the Italians & Greeks will do - all on behalf of their glorious Rome/Athenian past.
Great Britain jilts that and follows what it's Commonwealth, colonies, etc show it as the true path to follow.
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Reply #16 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:31pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:25pm:
No they don't.
The Germs did, the French are doing and the Italians & Greeks will do - all on behalf of their glorious Rome/Athenian past.
Great Britain jilts that and follows what it's Commonwealth, colonies, etc show it as the true path to follow.

Don't kid yourself... Or be fooled by the politeness, or the grovelling.

The British establishment does not see itself as an equal to Indian, Australian, Canadian and all other Commonwealth establishments... not even to the US.

It sees itself as superior to all combined.

It created the modern Western world... don't think it's forgotten it.

It's why the British monarchy survives so well.
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Reply #17 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:38pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:31pm:
It's why the British monarchy survives so well.

Pipped only by the Papacy in continuous world influence, not seen since Rome.

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Reply #18 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:50pm
 
Are you saying you can't tell the difference between real Westernism (politics) and Archaic Westernism founded by Rome & Athens?

Unlike Germany, France, Italy & Greece who eat from the tree of knowledge and sacrifice their colonies (take Noumea currently for example) in favour of their self preservation in Europe, which results in the failure of (politics) Westernism for them anyway.
Compared to Great Britain, who is sacrificing it's empowerment and superiority with each stage, on behalf of its Colonies (children)/Commonwealth and in the end, will die completely in Europe for it. True Westernism.

As for the monarchy, that's the United KINGDOM side of the country, which (like George with the Germans and now Charles with the French) is best related to Eurovision and will betray Great (Political) Britain in the end.

Any superiority that Great Britain still holds, is like a proud parent.

But hey, the Left succeed in Europe, Asia (China adores Albo Wink),Africa & Oceania.
The Right succeed in N.America, S.America, Middle-East and here in Sahul... just because the Left have power here, doesn't mean they are succeeding. Just like Politics has power in France, but it's not succeeding is it?

Great Britain will die. But it will be reborn in N.America as it fades into 'the West's leaving Rome & Athens as nothing more than political ruins for archeologists and tourists in Musical Europe.
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Reply #19 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:00pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 6:50pm:
Are you saying you can't tell the difference between real Westernism (politics) and Archaic Westernism founded by Rome & Athens?

I'm saying the influence of the British Empire's memory will endure for hundreds of years, as Rome did.

The world speaks the language of the empire - it's the world's only true lingua franca, many times over greater than Latin and Greek were at their height.

Its parliamentary democracy is the standard model upon which all modern democracies are based.

Its monarchy has morphed from its medieval incarnation to its modern incarnation as s quasi-religious institution equal to that of the Vatican and the Pope.

Its cumulative knowledge of how the modern world was founded and how it's run is stored in its institutions and handed down from establishment father/ mother to son, and now daughter.

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Reply #20 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:25pm
 
Close. The United Kingdom monarchy, as will all European Royalties, will reclaim Europe, but via the Music &Entertainment industry with Italian-Greco royalty being the dominant and the UK becoming one of the weakest.
Religion, like the Vatican, is losing its oppression over Europe. Christian Germany has failed. Christian France will soon burn like a Notre Dame cathedral and the Vatican (with the Mafia in political power), will covet it's Gold over God like a dragon sickness. Christianity will fail there too and Religion in Europe will fall back to the Middle-East from where it came.
Great Britain, the last Christian power, will die carrying its cross to the Middle-East to Unite both Islam & Israel.
But unlike Germany, France and Italy/Greece. Great Britain doesn't break into an evil failure of violence. It chooses peace, to die by and unite Islam & Israel.

...thus, it will be reborn in N.America like a resurrection.

Even now, you can feel the Union Jack and politics leaving us here and slowly re-emerging in N.America as it was meant to be.
Archaic Westernism, which has long kept America like a usurper, will fail there like a mistake made, but redemption in the end. But it won't take hold here. America is the precedence, we learn from.  Political Leftism won't succeed here. Music wise, yes. Politically no.
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Reply #21 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:40pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:25pm:
Close.

No, I'm bang on.

Knowing how to rule and run the modern world is a multi-generational thing, requiring as few political models as possible...

It's not something, say, the Chinese could achieve any time in the next 100 years or so, even with their currently powerful, dominant economy.

Next, India. In all its thousands of years of history, it has never politically dominated anywhere, nor have Indic peoples shown any interest in doing so beyond the subcontinent, even if its cultural influence reached Southeast Asia. It'democratic political institutions are, of course, a carbon copy of the British Westminister system.

Russia? Forgeddaboudit...
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Reply #22 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:53pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:40pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:25pm:
Close.

No, I'm bang on.

Knowing how to rule and run the modern world is a multi-generational thing, requiring as few political models as possible...

It's not something, say, the Chinese could achieve any time in the next 100 years or so, even with their currently powerful, dominant economy.

Next, India. In all its thousands of years of history, it has never politically dominated anywhere, nor have Indic peoples shown any interest in doing so beyond the subcontinent, even if its cultural influence reached Southeast Asia. It'democratic political institutions are, of course, a carbon copy of the British Westminister system.

Russia? Forgeddaboudit...

Two words for you:

Demographic transformation.


There has NEVER been such large scale people movement in such short a time as in the last 40-50 years.  So nodding to history here is irrelevant.


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Reply #23 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 8:04pm
 
Listen Meister. Take it from me. When it comes to cultural power (racial minority). The regions are destined to be as follows (as by the golden rule of equality).
N.America: Politics (British western, not Rome/Athens -Media western)
Asia: Mathematics
Mid-East: Military
Europe: Music
Africa: Sport
Sahul: Art ( Wink)
Oceania: Medicine
S.America: Religion

...Antarctica: "Shhh. That's a secret Wink)

We're still a fair way to go. But we'll get there, well beyond more world wars of adjustment to it and pandemics to evolve us to it.

Trust me. I am the Master and here in Day Ahead (of the West), time is an illusion, as was the space to cross to discover the Americas.
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Reply #24 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 8:12pm
 
While Huxley's vision of the future is more likely to beat out Orwell's, where Huxley gets it wrong is that his imaginary society is not necessarily a dystopia.

What do poverty-stricken people think of our luxurious Australian life? Do they think it's a hellscape of escapism and emptiness, I wonder. I'd bet not... Millions of them would get into leaky boats to join us in our 'dystopia', given a guarantee of welcome.

Do we feel we're living in a dystopia given the alternatives in other parts of the world?

For most of our history, we Australians have been living in a Huxleyesque world, minus the dystopia, and the water's fine.


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Reply #25 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 8:23pm
 
Huxley & Orwell. They're good. But only good for one to two regions. Their failure to incorporate the others as a whole, leaves them flawed, even for just the two to one regionalism they comment on.
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Reply #26 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 8:49pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 8:12pm:
While Huxley's vision of the future is more likely to beat out Orwell's, where Huxley gets it wrong is that his imaginary society is not necessarily a dystopia.

What do poverty-stricken people think of our luxurious Australian life? Do they think it's a hellscape of escapism and emptiness, I wonder. I'd bet not... Millions of them would get into leaky boats to join us in our 'dystopia', given a guarantee of welcome.

Do we feel we're living in a dystopia given the alternatives in other parts of the world?

For most of our history, we Australians have been living in a Huxleyesque world, minus the dystopia, and the water's fine.





You are stuck in 1930s thinking.

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Reply #27 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 9:10pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:53pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:40pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:25pm:
Close.

No, I'm bang on.

Knowing how to rule and run the modern world is a multi-generational thing, requiring as few political models as possible...

It's not something, say, the Chinese could achieve any time in the next 100 years or so, even with their currently powerful, dominant economy.

Next, India. In all its thousands of years of history, it has never politically dominated anywhere, nor have Indic peoples shown any interest in doing so beyond the subcontinent, even if its cultural influence reached Southeast Asia. It'democratic political institutions are, of course, a carbon copy of the British Westminister system.

Russia? Forgeddaboudit...

Two words for you:

Demographic transformation.


There has NEVER been such large scale people movement in such short a time as in the last 40-50 years.  So nodding to history here is irrelevant.


What are your data points, from a percentage of population or gross numbers? Perhaps you mean wide scale rather than large scale?
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Reply #28 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 10:05pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 9:10pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:53pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:40pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:25pm:
Close.

No, I'm bang on.

Knowing how to rule and run the modern world is a multi-generational thing, requiring as few political models as possible...

It's not something, say, the Chinese could achieve any time in the next 100 years or so, even with their currently powerful, dominant economy.

Next, India. In all its thousands of years of history, it has never politically dominated anywhere, nor have Indic peoples shown any interest in doing so beyond the subcontinent, even if its cultural influence reached Southeast Asia. It'democratic political institutions are, of course, a carbon copy of the British Westminister system.

Russia? Forgeddaboudit...

Two words for you:

Demographic transformation.


There has NEVER been such large scale people movement in such short a time as in the last 40-50 years.  So nodding to history here is irrelevant.


What are your data points, from a percentage of population or gross numbers? Perhaps you mean wide scale rather than large scale?

Air travel was a luxury 50-60 years ago. Now anyone can fly across the world for $1500.

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Reply #29 - Jul 16th, 2025 at 10:12pm
 
Tolerance? Something I had been for too long.
So many of my gen were too polite. Too tolerant, too easily taken for a ride.
We were brought up by the silent frugal generation. Kids were meant to be seen and not heard.
It takes years to undo that stuff.
I’ve found a better voice for opinions  in my latter years. My daughter recently said she used to be embarrassed when I was vocal about stuff with others but now she says good on me  Smiley
She needed to be vocal with a vet recently and wasn’t and crap happened that she was so angry with herself not saying something…. I said to her… you say it once to strike while the iron is hot… saves you having to talk thrice later to rectify it all.

She says she kept quiet assuming they would know better…. I said… ah huh… assumptions are the cause of 99% f… ups!
Best to clear the air and ask a million questions ….  Roll Eyes

https://thepersimmongroup.com/three-reasons-we-make-assumptions-and-what-to-do-a...

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