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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50556 At my desk.	Re: will AI take our jobs? Reply #15 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 3:35pm Quote: It’s definitely difficult but look how many bank staff are now unemployed yet we pay more bank fees than ever! I don't pay any.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: will AI take our jobs? Reply #16 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 3:39pm Daves2017 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 3:29pm: It’s definitely difficult but look how many bank staff are now unemployed yet we pay more bank fees than ever! Particularly with international bank transfers, where major banks will charge a usurious 3.5% fee on the exchange rate!! For what??!!
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Reply #17 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 3:41pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 3:39pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 3:29pm:

It’s definitely difficult but look how many bank staff are now unemployed yet we pay more bank fees than ever!

Particularly with international bank transfers, where major banks will charge a usurious 3.5% fee on the exchange rate!! For what??!!

I got hung up on that one recently. I found 2 banks in Australia that do not do this for credit cards. Bendigo and Bankwest I think. No other fees either.

ME used to do it also, until they got bought out.

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Reply #18 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 6:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 2:32pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 1:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 12:13pm:

The inventions of the wheel, bronze, steel, paper and gunpowder would be up there with the printing press.

And writing, of course.

Interestingly, the Greeks, themselves, were once leery of writing... particularly the writing of their poems and plays as they believed not using memory alone, i.e. the oral tradition, would lead to the destruction of the mind.... Ancient Greek Oh Dearism.

Good input. I've heard the same, especially with machine gun digital cameras, that taking photos is for people who don't want to remember the moment, but just capture it and store it away, to be forgotten. I can confirm this myself, I still remember those visual moments that would have made great photos.
Take calculators too. Those who didn't have them at school had to do the work inside of their heads, while those that did, let the machine do the thinking for them. Obviously the old school students had that 'natural' affinity to work things out for themselves.

Dunno about taking photos because people can't be arsed remembering...

Old photos can trigger multiple and complex memories, as can having kids, which usually reminds parents of what it must have felt like to have once been kids themselves.

Needing a photo to remember, let alone not fully absorbing the moment when it happened, is a step back in my view.
Diver photographer Bob Halstead (Bismarck islands, PNG) even said about the new digital tech. That it will dull a photographer's mind in looking for that perfect shot with that one shot only. The awareness is dulled.
The only real benefit of a photo is to share the moment to others, evidence and future generations.
Like drones, there is always a positive and negative impact.
So too with A.I. A lot of good, but also a lot of bad.

Hi Bobby. I walked away from Employers who, like sponges, wanted me to do more for 'their' income (once employed) than what I was hired and paid for. Some Companies advertise for jobs on a day shift (easier), to covertly try to convince those in hope of any employment, to work the harder nightshift that seems to lose employees. A bad Employer is one who has a lot of Staff turnover or Staff that have only been there less than 6 months. A lot of restaurants were like this.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #19 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 7:09pm

Jasin wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 6:08pm:

The only real benefit of a photo is to share the moment to others, evidence and future generations.

There's a paradox with memory... You can only remember anything that you 'remember to remember', otherwise there is no reason or stimulus to recall a past event/experience.

Things like sentimental items or recurring experiences, or events like becoming a parent, or looking at old photos/watching home movies, etc, stimulate the processing of remembering to remember without which the potential recalled memory would remain unrecalled.

Even psychiatry's 'talking cure' utilises the faculty of recall stimulation.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52751 Gender:	Re: will AI take our jobs? Reply #20 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 7:24pm The 6th Sense is memory based. It only works if you have experienced the moment and absorbed it fully so that it is recalled, if needed, when it matters. In times of danger, people don't reach for their photo collection.
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Reply #21 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 9:27pm

Jasin wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

The 6th Sense is memory based.
It only works if you have experienced the moment and absorbed it fully so that it is recalled, if needed, when it matters.
In times of danger, people don't reach for their photo collection.

Yes, well, you can only recall a memory of danger if you've already had the experience or something similar enough to trigger recall.

You might have seen videos of tsunamis where some people are standing on the beach watching as the tide recedes, not realising it is the buildup to a tsunami.

Also, with say, phobias, recall can be inappropriately triggered by benign events such as the sight of a large dog, where the person was once mauled by a large dog, and the memory is retrievable and relivable every time the person sees any large dog, regardless of the lack of immediate danger.

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Reply #22 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 10:16pm

That's just Recall. Sixth sense comes into play, when you are confronting an element of an unknown situation unfamiliar in its potential, but memories associated or slightly connected come to aid in ones judgement.
Example. Snorkeling 🤿 off a Jervis Bay point. I noticed things got suddenly quiet. No crustaceans clicking and the little fishes that were around me, bolted. I didn't see the big female great white. But I knew she was there, so I got out.
Told my mate, who ignored my advice. Next weekend, he speared off that same point and Ms Whitey grabbed his fish line and took him for a 20m burn underwater before he unclipped.
It was a memory associated with knowledge, more wisdom, that alerted me to the change in my environment.

Sixth Sense is the ability to be aware to ones subconscious and what it has stored from experiences.

Anyway, I digress from the topic at hand.

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Reply #23 - Jul 12^th, 2025 at 10:22pm

Jasin wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 10:16pm:

That's just Recall. Sixth sense comes into play, when you are confronting an element of an unknown situation unfamiliar in its potential, but memories associated or slightly connected come to aid in ones judgement.
Example. Snorkeling 🤿 off a Jervis Bay point. I noticed things got suddenly quiet. No crustaceans clicking and the little fishes that were around me, bolted. I didn't see the big female great white. But I knew she was there, so I got out.
Told my mate, who ignored my advice. Next weekend, he speared off that same point and Ms Whitey grabbed his fish line and took him for a 20m burn underwater before he unclipped.
It was a memory associated with knowledge, more wisdom, that alerted me to the change in my environment.

Sixth Sense is the ability to be aware to ones subconscious and what it has stored from experiences.

Anyway, I digress from the topic at hand.

Yes, good point and valid in the context you're using the term, sixth sense - as the cumulative effect of multiple senses and memories of relevant/adjacent experiences..

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2804 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: will AI take our jobs? Reply #24 - Jul 13^th, 2025 at 7:15pm It might take some jobs but not the ones that rely on accuracy.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50556 At my desk.	Re: will AI take our jobs? Reply #25 - Jul 14^th, 2025 at 9:47am Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 7:15pm: It might take some jobs but not the ones that rely on accuracy. Accuracy? Like stating pi to ten significant digits?
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Reply #26 - Jul 14^th, 2025 at 5:52pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2025 at 9:47am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 7:15pm:

It might take some jobs but not the ones that rely on accuracy.

Accuracy? Like stating pi to ten significant digits?

No, just getting simple questions right.
One can have lots of fun asking AI simple quesrions; but it can be a significant help in writing Uni essays.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: will AI take our jobs? Reply #27 - Jul 14^th, 2025 at 6:10pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 7:15pm: It might take some jobs but not the ones that rely on accuracy. Robotics took over vehicle assembly... AI is set to take over long-haul land delivery of goods.
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Reply #28 - Jul 14^th, 2025 at 6:15pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 14^th, 2025 at 5:52pm:

One can have lots of fun asking AI simple quesrions;

Yep, well, asking simple questions for AI is a rookie mistake.

Ask an IT professional about the complexity of questions they can ask AI, like:

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“I want you to help me with ???. Before you answer, ask me detailed questions to fully understand exactly what I am looking for. Ask one question at a time, wait for my response, and keep digging until you have enough context to give me the perfect solution.”

OR

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“Rewrite this (email, letter, CV, blog post, etc), but make it sound more natural - like a real person wrote it. Allow for 1-2 minor imperfections (for example, a common typo, and extra space in a sentence or no comma where it should be). Use the Australian English language. Avoid using dashes (-) where possible. Avoid sounding overly polished or robotic while keeping it conversational, warm, and professional.”

For long chats…

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“Please track the conversation length (as an ascii status bar and/or in %) and alert me when we reach 60% of the chat length limit and automatically create a detailed hand-off/hand-over message or prompt that I can use to start a new chat (include details of decisions made, steps taken so far, and possible next steps, so the new chat artifacts will be consistent).”

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Reply #29 - Jul 15^th, 2025 at 5:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 14^th, 2025 at 6:15pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 14^th, 2025 at 5:52pm:

One can have lots of fun asking AI simple quesrions;

Yep, well, asking simple questions for AI is a rookie mistake.

Ask an IT professional about the complexity of questions they can ask AI, like:

Quote:

“I want you to help me with ???. Before you answer, ask me detailed questions to fully understand exactly what I am looking for. Ask one question at a time, wait for my response, and keep digging until you have enough context to give me the perfect solution.”

OR

Quote:

“Rewrite this (email, letter, CV, blog post, etc), but make it sound more natural - like a real person wrote it. Allow for 1-2 minor imperfections (for example, a common typo, and extra space in a sentence or no comma where it should be). Use the Australian English language. Avoid using dashes (-) where possible. Avoid sounding overly polished or robotic while keeping it conversational, warm, and professional.”

For long chats…

Quote:

“Please track the conversation length (as an ascii status bar and/or in %) and alert me when we reach 60% of the chat length limit and automatically create a detailed hand-off/hand-over message or prompt that I can use to start a new chat (include details of decisions made, steps taken so far, and possible next steps, so the new chat artifacts will be consistent).”

Asking simple questions is never a mistake, it’s fun and each time one corrects the AI it regulates and comes up with a better answer, that’s part of the fun.

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